Comments on: Guardian 24178/Rufus – Rufus? http://www.fifteensquared.net/2007/09/10/guardian-24178rufus-%e2%80%93-rufus/ Never knowingly undersolved. Sun, 19 May 2013 09:40:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1 By: struggler http://www.fifteensquared.net/2007/09/10/guardian-24178rufus-%e2%80%93-rufus/#comment-4408 struggler Mon, 10 Sep 2007 21:28:51 +0000 http://fifteensquared.net/2007/09/10/guardian-24178rufus-%e2%80%93-rufus/#comment-4408 Speaking as a representative of Rufus’s target constituency, I would like to record my satisfaction at completing this one and my sole reason for visiting this website today (namely that I failed to deconstruct the clueing behind 23 across, despite completiong it correctly!).

]]> By: Fletch http://www.fifteensquared.net/2007/09/10/guardian-24178rufus-%e2%80%93-rufus/#comment-4399 Fletch Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:59:39 +0000 http://fifteensquared.net/2007/09/10/guardian-24178rufus-%e2%80%93-rufus/#comment-4399 Is there a blog coming for last week’s Prize Taupi?

]]> By: muck http://www.fifteensquared.net/2007/09/10/guardian-24178rufus-%e2%80%93-rufus/#comment-4398 muck Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:52:57 +0000 http://fifteensquared.net/2007/09/10/guardian-24178rufus-%e2%80%93-rufus/#comment-4398 Another good Rufus. 20ac was nicely misleading – I had ******* BEACH until I looked here. 10ac was fine for me.

]]> By: Paul B http://www.fifteensquared.net/2007/09/10/guardian-24178rufus-%e2%80%93-rufus/#comment-4396 Paul B Mon, 10 Sep 2007 15:50:59 +0000 http://fifteensquared.net/2007/09/10/guardian-24178rufus-%e2%80%93-rufus/#comment-4396 Fgbp wins the day I think – deleting ‘who’s’ solves the sense problem nicely.

]]> By: Ciaran McNulty http://www.fifteensquared.net/2007/09/10/guardian-24178rufus-%e2%80%93-rufus/#comment-4390 Ciaran McNulty Mon, 10 Sep 2007 12:15:00 +0000 http://fifteensquared.net/2007/09/10/guardian-24178rufus-%e2%80%93-rufus/#comment-4390 My print copy has 10A as “Wait on nondrinker, who’s after a tip”, so presumably it was changed at some point.

Personally I had no problem with nondrinker= A TT and ‘after a’ = ‘is completed by’

]]> By: fgbp http://www.fifteensquared.net/2007/09/10/guardian-24178rufus-%e2%80%93-rufus/#comment-4388 fgbp Mon, 10 Sep 2007 10:57:51 +0000 http://fifteensquared.net/2007/09/10/guardian-24178rufus-%e2%80%93-rufus/#comment-4388 With the greatest respect to Rufus, the revised clue is better IMHO. “and get” in the original seems to jar. Surface readings are very important, but sometimes the desire for a good surface can lead to the inclusion of “padding” which makes the cryptic reading more obscure. I think the replacement would be better without the “who’s” (more padding, this time adding nothing to the surface).
I used to think Azed’s clues were often unsatisfactory because the surface reading often seemed bizarre to me. But Azed never compromises the cryptic reading of his clues for the sake of surface, and there’s a lot to be said for that.

]]> By: ilancaron http://www.fifteensquared.net/2007/09/10/guardian-24178rufus-%e2%80%93-rufus/#comment-4386 ilancaron Mon, 10 Sep 2007 10:42:22 +0000 http://fifteensquared.net/2007/09/10/guardian-24178rufus-%e2%80%93-rufus/#comment-4386 Yes I see how it should have worked now — I agree with PaulB — the original rendition has a better surface.

]]> By: Paul B http://www.fifteensquared.net/2007/09/10/guardian-24178rufus-%e2%80%93-rufus/#comment-4384 Paul B Mon, 10 Sep 2007 09:34:17 +0000 http://fifteensquared.net/2007/09/10/guardian-24178rufus-%e2%80%93-rufus/#comment-4384 I think your original better for the sense, i.e. waiters (and not non-drinkers) get tips.

]]> By: Rufus http://www.fifteensquared.net/2007/09/10/guardian-24178rufus-%e2%80%93-rufus/#comment-4382 Rufus Mon, 10 Sep 2007 09:19:33 +0000 http://fifteensquared.net/2007/09/10/guardian-24178rufus-%e2%80%93-rufus/#comment-4382 Re ATTEND. Original clue was “Wait on a non-drinker and get tip” giving A-TT-END, but a suggestion that it might be improved by making it: “Wait on non-drinker, who’s after a tip” was gratefully received. This works as: non-drinker=TT, after a= after A, a tip=END giving A-TT-END. Don’t know at what stage the misspelling of “whose” occurred!

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