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	<title>Comments on: Guardian, 24317 (Gordius)</title>
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	<description>Never knowingly undersolved.</description>
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		<title>By: Shed</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2008/02/21/guardian-24317-gordius/#comment-15237</link>
		<dc:creator>Shed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I also got stuck for a long time by putting PINTAIL instead of PINTADO for 23ac. - as far as I can see it&#039;s an equally valid answer.  And I had to give up on 21dn, though I&#039;m pretty sure I&#039;d have got it if Branwell had been spelled right.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also got stuck for a long time by putting PINTAIL instead of PINTADO for 23ac. &#8211; as far as I can see it&#8217;s an equally valid answer.  And I had to give up on 21dn, though I&#8217;m pretty sure I&#8217;d have got it if Branwell had been spelled right.</p>
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		<title>By: beermagnet</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2008/02/21/guardian-24317-gordius/#comment-15220</link>
		<dc:creator>beermagnet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 09:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The paper version had BraMwell too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The paper version had BraMwell too.</p>
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		<title>By: owenjonesuk</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2008/02/21/guardian-24317-gordius/#comment-15217</link>
		<dc:creator>owenjonesuk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 09:34:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Shirley: the online version has &quot;Bramwell&quot; and wikipedia confirms that he was called Branwell.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shirley: the online version has &#8220;Bramwell&#8221; and wikipedia confirms that he was called Branwell.</p>
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		<title>By: muck</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2008/02/21/guardian-24317-gordius/#comment-15183</link>
		<dc:creator>muck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 22:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[3dn: STIRPS is an new word for me. Well, it&#039;s a bad day when you don&#039;t learn something new.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>3dn: STIRPS is an new word for me. Well, it&#8217;s a bad day when you don&#8217;t learn something new.</p>
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		<title>By: hillclimber</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2008/02/21/guardian-24317-gordius/#comment-15166</link>
		<dc:creator>hillclimber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 18:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Should be STIRPS, by exchanging the I &amp; R (change of heart)in strips (undresses) 

STIRPS= family, race, pedigree 

hope this helps :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Should be STIRPS, by exchanging the I &amp; R (change of heart)in strips (undresses) </p>
<p>STIRPS= family, race, pedigree </p>
<p>hope this helps <img src='http://www.fifteensquared.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: muck</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2008/02/21/guardian-24317-gordius/#comment-15165</link>
		<dc:creator>muck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 18:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[8ac is ITCHIER, so 3dn (Family undresses with change of heart) is S-I-P-. How do you fit in STRIPS, and where does family come into it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>8ac is ITCHIER, so 3dn (Family undresses with change of heart) is S-I-P-. How do you fit in STRIPS, and where does family come into it?</p>
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		<title>By: Shirley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shirley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What confused us about 21D - apart from the fact we&#039;d never heard of a ronte- was that the Bronte&#039;s brother was called BraNwell not BraMwell!
We spent ages trying to find out who Bramwell was.
Is this a typo in the online version or has the editor let it slip through?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What confused us about 21D &#8211; apart from the fact we&#8217;d never heard of a ronte- was that the Bronte&#8217;s brother was called BraNwell not BraMwell!<br />
We spent ages trying to find out who Bramwell was.<br />
Is this a typo in the online version or has the editor let it slip through?</p>
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		<title>By: tuck</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2008/02/21/guardian-24317-gordius/#comment-15160</link>
		<dc:creator>tuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Laic also means lay &quot;upset some members of the church&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laic also means lay &#8220;upset some members of the church&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: hillclimber</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2008/02/21/guardian-24317-gordius/#comment-15159</link>
		<dc:creator>hillclimber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes I think LAIty is correct, ECCLESIA is an assembly, and ECCLESIAL is the adjective pertaining to that; hence the definition &quot;of church assembly&quot; which neatly overlaps with &quot;upset some members of church&quot; for IAL.

Ecclesiast or Ecclesiarch would be a preacher or governor I suspect, just in case we get Goon/Church references in the future :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes I think LAIty is correct, ECCLESIA is an assembly, and ECCLESIAL is the adjective pertaining to that; hence the definition &#8220;of church assembly&#8221; which neatly overlaps with &#8220;upset some members of church&#8221; for IAL.</p>
<p>Ecclesiast or Ecclesiarch would be a preacher or governor I suspect, just in case we get Goon/Church references in the future <img src='http://www.fifteensquared.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: diagacht</title>
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		<dc:creator>diagacht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:29:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you Hillclimber for Eccles. Some members of church must be LAIty. Still, I think an ECCLESIAL is a church governor of some kind; an assembly (church or otherwise) is surely an ECCLESIA? Not sure.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Hillclimber for Eccles. Some members of church must be LAIty. Still, I think an ECCLESIAL is a church governor of some kind; an assembly (church or otherwise) is surely an ECCLESIA? Not sure.</p>
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