# Fifteensquared

## Inquisitor 74 – A Quotation by Schadenfreude

Posted by duncanshiell on June 6th, 2008

This puzzle was presented as a 10 row *11 columns jigsaw within a frame of 12 rows *13 columns such that the outer rim was independent of interlocking words. The central square in the top row was blacked out to leave the outer rim comprising 45 cells that would ultimately contain a quotation and its originator.

Except for the central column, which only required the movement of one letter, each row and column had to have two letters removed and placed at either end of the respective row or column. If there were two clues in a row or column, then one letter was to be removed from each answer. Single clues in a row or column required the removal of two letters from the answer. First letters removed went to the left or upper ends of the row or column. Second letters removed went to the right or lower ends. This removal exercise generated 41 letters of the quotation, described in the preamble as ‘a favourite quotation’. Solvers had to deduce the 4 letters in the outermost corners of the grid in order to complete the quotation.

Fortunately the definition and wordplay in each clue led to the same answer which meant that the clues were completely normal. I think it would have been trickier to solve the clues if the wordplay had led to the entry after the letters had been removed. This, of course, would have made the identification of the removed letters a lot easier.

I got to off to a fairly quick start given that all the 11 or 12 letter words contained within the outer edges of the jigsaw were all easily identifiable anagrams. There were a number of other clues that were anagrams or part anagrams. I counted 9 in all, out of 29 clues. I think I raced through about 12 or 13 clues before I ground to a halt and had to start thinking a lot more. The jigsaw element of the puzzle meant that there a lot of choices of potential letters in the unsolved answers so I had to study the component parts of the clues in some depth before I could get going again. As the quotation built up, I found myself homing in on ‘Eight’, ‘Tight’ or ‘Light’ or extensions, e.g. ‘Eighteen’, ‘Tighten’ etc. at the beginning. I couldn’t make much sense of the body of the quotation. The real breakthrough was seeing P/I L/I C/K O/E M M/I/G _ L O/I G _ _ at the end of the string and then taking a punt on Spike Milligan. I think I might have been fortunate in having a copy of The Oxford Dictionary of Humorous Quotations (ODQHQ) as the resulting quotation is not easy to find on a Google search. Indeed the only reference to the quotation I can find on a Google search, as I write this on 28th May, is a pointer to a post in the last couple days on ‘Yahoo Answers’ asking if anyone knows the source of ‘Eight pounds ten for a second-hand suit‘.

Given that the quotation seems to be quite difficult to track down on the Internet, the description of it as a favourite quotation may seem a bit odd. However, we are only dealing with an extract as the full quotation is given in ODQHQ as ‘My favourite quotation is eight pounds ten for a second-hand suit” as said by Spike Milligan on an edition of the Radio 4 programme ‘Quote…Unquote’ on
1st January 1979.

The outside of the grid is presented below:

LLIGAN EIGHTP
I           O
M           U
E           N
K           D
I           S
P           T
S           E
T           N
I           F
U           O
SDNAHDNOCESAR

Whenever I do a puzzle like this I usually wonder how the compiler came up with the idea and this puzzle is no exception. Did the quotation come first or did the concept come first? I suspect the latter, but I can only guess. There is then the search for a suitable quotation of an appropriate length although I suppose that the size of the grid can easily be amended to fit the quotation. I have no experience of compiling but I doubt if it was easy to fill this grid given the constraints put upon the words that can be considered. As ever, I admire the result.

Although there were a lot of anagrams, the surface reading of many of the clues was entertaining and smooth. I particularly liked ‘Prehistoric creature, medium to very large, like a wild ox (MOSASAURUS) and ‘Does crooked son lie about income support’ (LIONISES) with its subtle use of ‘Does’ as the definition.

Another entertaining offering from Schadenfreude even though quotation was fairly obscure.

Across
No. Solution Letters outside grid Entry Components of Solution
2 PRIMOGENITAL I        O PRMGENITAL Anagram of (out) GERMAN PILOT containing (to constrain) I (independence) = PRIMOGENITAL (of the first born [oldest child])
9 MOSASAURUS M        U OSASARUS M (medium) + OS (outsize [very large]) + AS (like) + A + URUS (wild ox) = MOSASAURUS (a gigantic Cretaceous fossil pythonomorph reptile.)
12 KYLOE E KYLO LO (look) contained in (amongst) KYE (cows [Scottish = Jock] = KYLOE (small long haired cow of Scottish Highlands and Hebrides)
13 TANNIN          N TANIN TAN (brown) + N (and [“and'”can be abbreviated to “‘n'”]) + IN (much in use) = TANNIN (bitter substance)
14 SHACKO K SHACO HACK (chap, I think in the sense of ‘to cut’, but could also be as ‘an overworked person’) contained in (wearing) SO (very good) = SHACKO (a tall almost cyclindrical military cap with a plume)
15 GLANDES          D GLANES G (first letter of [start to] germinate) + LANDES (healthy plains) = GLANDES (acorns)
17 LIONISES I        S LONIES Anagram of (crooked) SON LIE containing (IS [income support]) = LIONISES (does in the sense of ‘going round the sights of ‘)
21 PIANETTE P        T IANETE PIA (pious) +NETT (obsolete [once] meaning of pure) + E (last letter [ultimately] of chaste) = PIANETTE (a small upright piano)
22 ESTATED S ETATED STATE (say) contained within (in) E (East) and D (Deutschland/Germany) = ESTATED (to give property to)
23 COPPER          E COPPR COP (catch) + PER (for each or a) = COPPER (any of several kinds of copper-coloured butterflies)
24 ETHNIC T EHNIC Anagram of (rogue) IN THE + C (cold) = ETHNIC (foreign)
26 NULLA          N ULLA NULL (empty) + A = NULLA (stream)
27 PORIFEROUS I        F POREROUS Anagram of (novel) OF SUPERIOR = PORIFEROUS (having pores or small passages)
28 COMPURGATORY U        O COMPRGATRY Anagram of (breaking down ) GRUMPY and O (old) and ACTOR = COMPURGATORY (describing the giving of evidence in favour of the accused)
Down
No. Solution Letters outside grid Entry Components of Solution
1 VOLKSLIEDER L        D VOKSLIEER V (victor) + anagram of (surprisingly) LIKES OLDER = VOLKSLIEDER (German folk songs)
3 RAGLANS G RALANS S (son) after (chasing) (A+G [good] + L [line] contained in [in] RAN [smuggled]) = RAGLANS (overcoats)
4 MASOCHIST A        H MSOCIST M (money) + A + SOC (socialist) + HIST (historian) = MASOCHIST (one who gains morbid gratification in pain. Dole = pain or grief)
5 GABON N GABO G (good) + (BO [man] contained in [in] A and N [northern]) = GABON (country in West Central Africa)
6 NUTLET E NUTLT TUN (cask) reversed (lifted) + LET (hindrance/obstruction = difficulty) = NUTLET (stone of a fleshy fruit)
7 TANG G TAN GNAT (mosquito) reversed (coming up/recurrent) = TANG (a biting, characteristic or extraneous flavour)
8 HASTIEST H        S ATIEST Anagram of (dissolute) SHE’S AT IT = HASTIEST (most [exceedingly] eager)
10 RINGSIDER N          RIGSIDER RINGS (calls) + RIDER (jockey without [abandoned by] the leading R [queen]) = RINGSIDER (spectator at prize fights)
11 TRANSFERASE T        A RNSFERASE Anagram of (developing) FAST EARNERS = TRANSFERASE (a catalytic enzyme)
16 AGINCOURT I        C AGNOURT GI (American soldier) contained in (in) AN (Angola) + COURT (to seek) = AGINCOURT (site of 1415 battle in Hundred Years War)
18 ORTHICON I        N ORTHCO OR (Logic circuit) + THE (without the last E [reduced]) + ICON (image) = ORTHICON (television camera tube)
19 DEPLORE          E DEPLOR LORD (nobleman without [bereft of] the D [daughter]) contained in (in) anagram of (woefully) DEEP = DEPLORE (lament)
20 RECORD          D RECOR RE (on) + CORD (raised rib on cloth) = RECORD (mark)
23 OCREA          O CREA Hidden word.,contained within (essential to) PROCREATE = OCREA (sheath)
25 NAAM          A NAM NA (not applicable) AM (in the morning) = NAAM (distraint = sieizure, usually of goods)

### 2 Responses to “Inquisitor 74 – A Quotation by Schadenfreude”

1. HolyGhost says:

15A: I seem to remember that LANDES was indeed clued as “healthy plains”, whereas Chambers gives the definition of LANDE as “heathy plain” – not quite the same.

2. Hihoba says:

I followed almost exactly the same path as you, Duncan, without the calculations, and was stumped by the lack of Google evidence for the quotation. I took a punt on it, but it seems to me that possession of the ODHQ should no be a pre-requisite of solving the puzzle!

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