Guardian 24,464, Rufus: In the navy
Posted by michod on August 11th, 2008
A decent Monday Rufus, not as CD-heavy as some, with some good variation in clues. I’m stuck on 17ac, and will use as my excuse its three out of five letters unchecked. Seeing presbyterians at 28ac, my mind instantly flew to celebrity anagram Britney Spears (ok, she only makes one of them)… but it was not to be. Sorrry I skipped quite a few of the downs – took too long over the acrosses. Time management, eh?
ACROSS:
1. CO(MICA)L. This took a while – COL around the outside seemed clear, but a nicely misleading definition. As in ‘oh, that’s priceless!’.
5. ASPIRED. Good anagram, well phrased.
11. PROM ON TORY. Another good surface – right-winger almost has to mean Tory (Newlab doesn’t come into many words!)
12. ARM ADA. Hmm, bit of a naval theme going on here?
14. SPARE TYRE. The story to which Rufus alludes eludes me, but I guess the original Ali G got stuck at the roadside and had to call the RCA (Royal Chariot Assistance).
16. DITCH. Double meaning that proved tricky with only _I_C_ given.
17. _E_Y_. And this one stumped me – a journalist beginning with N? A naval commander?
19. WATCH WORD. My least favourite clue – it just splits the word into its root meanings.
23. APPLA(PAPAL*)USE.
24. TRA(ART<) U MA. Good surface.
26. TRIAL MATCH. Feels like it should be test match really.
28. PRAYERS. PRESBYTERIANS* less BEST IN*. Rare for a daily, a compound anagram +lit, and one that doesn’t follow the practice espoused by comp-anag specialist Azed, that unless the words removed appear in sequence, a second anagram indicator is needed (I thik I’ve got that right).
29. UP FRONT.
DOWN:
2. OUT CROP. Didn’t follow this at first, but I guesss it’s ‘off cut’ = OUT CROP.
4. ASP HALT. ’On the road’ is the definition, HALT being ’confronted by’ ASP.
8. ER(RAT)IC.
9. FOSTER PARENTS. The only CD, I think, and a good one - all four main terms have a different meaning in the surface and cryptic readings, including ‘tend’.
15. ROYAL NAVY. Yo ho ho – theme ahoy again? No cap’n, three ships don’t make an armada.
20. CATCH UP. I know ‘catsup’ is an alternate spelling of ‘ketchup’, but is ‘catchup’ too? Must be.
25. (b)ANGER.
August 11th, 2008 at 10:35 am
I think 17a is PEPYS, as a writer of journals and a navy man…
9d was a great cd
August 11th, 2008 at 10:41 am
14ac; Alexander the Great destroyed [didn't spare] Tyre in 332BCX]
17ac: I thought must be Pepys, who worked for the Admiralty and kept a journal. Not very cryptic, though.
20dn: Collins has ‘catchup’ as an alternative spelling.
August 11th, 2008 at 10:43 am
Sorry, don’t know how the ‘X’ above after BC crept in!
Sorry also, Mhl: I didn’t see your post in time.
August 11th, 2008 at 10:52 am
I liked 14ac because the surface leads you to think that A the G “didn’t have one”, but it’s just that he “didn’t spare Tyre” (as Eileen says).
I had PEPYS for 17ac too, and was much less impressed with the clue there.
August 11th, 2008 at 11:08 am
You and me both Michod with Britney Spears, though she does need more than one I think.
August 11th, 2008 at 1:08 pm
Yes, 14ac was good – it reminded me of another Classical clue [can't remember whose] of some time ago, which I thought was very good, too: “Where the Romans couldn’t win and Scots can’t” Ans: CANNAE, where Hannibal decisively defeated the Roman army in 216 BC.
August 11th, 2008 at 2:23 pm
Where Greeks gave Persians beans and sausages? (7)
August 11th, 2008 at 2:34 pm
Salamis?
August 11th, 2008 at 2:40 pm
Yes!
August 11th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
I’ve just seen BACTERIA as an ancient region of Afghanistan – which would be a good one – but I think it’s a speller.
August 11th, 2008 at 3:34 pm
SALAMIS:
Why “beans”?
August 11th, 2008 at 3:50 pm
Thanks for explaining 14ac – I agree that’s a very nice clue. PEPYS is a bit of a let-down though: cryptic only in that he wasn’t literally a journalist in our sense of the word, but rather a journal-ist.
August 11th, 2008 at 3:52 pm
Beans = very little or nothing at all.
August 11th, 2008 at 4:08 pm
There’s a phrase ‘to give (someone or something) beans’ meaning to punish severely.
August 11th, 2008 at 9:46 pm
17ac PEPYS was the only clue I didn’t get before seeing Michod’s blog. I believe the rule is that the answer must have the correct letter count and punctuation, but the clue may be misleading. So, journal-ist is fine.
August 11th, 2008 at 9:56 pm
I feel fairly certain that Rufus knows ‘journalist’ to be literally correct as a definition for ‘someone who keeps a journal’ (Collins sense 2).
August 11th, 2008 at 11:31 pm
Rufus can do no wrong in my opinion, and should be allowed a few harder clues
August 11th, 2008 at 11:57 pm
What exactly was the clue for this much discussed 17a?
August 11th, 2008 at 11:59 pm
20dn CATCH UP – For Tarantino fans, this is Mia’s joke in Pulp Fiction!
August 12th, 2008 at 6:05 am
When I did the crossword,I didn’t like 14a, as I thought it was weakly suggesting that although ‘Great’, this didn’t apply to Alexander’s girth. That, however, was my classical ignorance: now, I love it!
Fletch: simply, “Navy man and journalist (5)”
August 12th, 2008 at 4:06 pm
Thanks, Paul B., for your “Beans” explanation.
I looked it up in Chambers and found that it was one of the expressions with “archaic” in brackets after it. I’d certainly never heard of it…
August 12th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
PEPYS:
I assume we were expected to know that Pepys was a “navy man” as well as a journal-ist. Is it well-known that Pepys was a navy man? I didn’t know this. To bring out the faintly cryptic bit I think I would have put “journalist” in inverted commas.