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		<title>By: nmsindy</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2008/08/21/independent-6817-by-tees/#comment-40590</link>
		<dc:creator>nmsindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Collins - it&#039;s not in Chambers BTW.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Collins &#8211; it&#8217;s not in Chambers BTW.</p>
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		<title>By: Al Streatfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Al Streatfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Where did you verify the definition?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where did you verify the definition?</p>
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		<title>By: nmsindy</title>
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		<dc:creator>nmsindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I did not know the meaning, but had worked the answer out from the anagram and verified after that it was quite correct.  Not a sailor...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did not know the meaning, but had worked the answer out from the anagram and verified after that it was quite correct.  Not a sailor&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Al Streatfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Al Streatfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wrote my point at the start of the strand before having checked whether the definition for OUTPOINT of &quot;sail closer to the wind than&quot;, which I thought was dodgy, checked out. Not according to Chambers it doesn&#039;t, nor anything like...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wrote my point at the start of the strand before having checked whether the definition for OUTPOINT of &#8220;sail closer to the wind than&#8221;, which I thought was dodgy, checked out. Not according to Chambers it doesn&#8217;t, nor anything like&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mick H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mick H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 09:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I thought of BUMPPO, but in the end went for BUMPHO (useless pages=bumph) as being a marginally more probable name!
Gay Police Association took a long time to get, but was very good - a rare CD with a much shorter clue than answer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought of BUMPPO, but in the end went for BUMPHO (useless pages=bumph) as being a marginally more probable name!<br />
Gay Police Association took a long time to get, but was very good &#8211; a rare CD with a much shorter clue than answer.</p>
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		<title>By: Fletch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fletch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 08:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Times was such a breeze yesterday he probably spent longer folding the paper satisfactorily than doing the crossword!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Times was such a breeze yesterday he probably spent longer folding the paper satisfactorily than doing the crossword!</p>
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		<title>By: Quixote</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quixote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 07:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I did this one on the train and still had time to read the paper. Thought it tricky in places (quite easy in others), but liked the TV dinner clue having written an identical one as Pasquale some while back (these things happen)! I guessed at BUMPPO, but didn&#039;t think it unfair. I didn&#039;t bother to check it. After a good day&#039;s play (Som v. Hants) at the Rose Bowl I just about emptied my mind of matters cruciverbal, though a gent in front was having difficulty folding his Times puzzle now that the page is divided vertically!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did this one on the train and still had time to read the paper. Thought it tricky in places (quite easy in others), but liked the TV dinner clue having written an identical one as Pasquale some while back (these things happen)! I guessed at BUMPPO, but didn&#8217;t think it unfair. I didn&#8217;t bother to check it. After a good day&#8217;s play (Som v. Hants) at the Rose Bowl I just about emptied my mind of matters cruciverbal, though a gent in front was having difficulty folding his Times puzzle now that the page is divided vertically!</p>
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		<title>By: Tees</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2008/08/21/independent-6817-by-tees/#comment-39288</link>
		<dc:creator>Tees</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 23:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I won&#039;t do it every day, promise.

As always, thanks very much indeed for the blog and for all the comments, which are much appreciated.

Without prejudice I should say that Natty Bumppo is himself The Deerslayer, and not simply a character in the book, plus lots of other names (such as Hawkeye) according to which of Fenimore Cooper&#039;s Bumppo works you read. I&#039;m possibly blinkered by my very familiarity with the topic, having delved as a kid. (Boy, am I glad Alastair got it from the SI, as I can now claim that I try to make clues less difficult when the required words may not be all that well-known.)

For OUTPOINT, the def is &#039;sail closer to the wind than&#039;.

The &#039;on as in wearing&#039; I would probably not have used had the clue been down, due in part to gravity. Nonetheless, I&#039;m aware of the Times convention that, in across clues, &#039;X on Y&#039; = YX.

GENTOO is listed only as &#039;a Hindu&#039; in my desktop Collins. I have to go to the shelf, where Chambers and SOED live, to find the Falkland Islands penguin.

Despite NealH&#039;s experiences I must counter that the wording - honest - is NOT designed to be &#039;as confusing as possible&#039;. On the other hand, and like a lot of Indyists I suppose, I&#039;m always trying to get away from standard indication and sentence order, whilst hopefully remaining fair, and grammatically correct at the cryptic level.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I won&#8217;t do it every day, promise.</p>
<p>As always, thanks very much indeed for the blog and for all the comments, which are much appreciated.</p>
<p>Without prejudice I should say that Natty Bumppo is himself The Deerslayer, and not simply a character in the book, plus lots of other names (such as Hawkeye) according to which of Fenimore Cooper&#8217;s Bumppo works you read. I&#8217;m possibly blinkered by my very familiarity with the topic, having delved as a kid. (Boy, am I glad Alastair got it from the SI, as I can now claim that I try to make clues less difficult when the required words may not be all that well-known.)</p>
<p>For OUTPOINT, the def is &#8216;sail closer to the wind than&#8217;.</p>
<p>The &#8216;on as in wearing&#8217; I would probably not have used had the clue been down, due in part to gravity. Nonetheless, I&#8217;m aware of the Times convention that, in across clues, &#8216;X on Y&#8217; = YX.</p>
<p>GENTOO is listed only as &#8216;a Hindu&#8217; in my desktop Collins. I have to go to the shelf, where Chambers and SOED live, to find the Falkland Islands penguin.</p>
<p>Despite NealH&#8217;s experiences I must counter that the wording &#8211; honest &#8211; is NOT designed to be &#8216;as confusing as possible&#8217;. On the other hand, and like a lot of Indyists I suppose, I&#8217;m always trying to get away from standard indication and sentence order, whilst hopefully remaining fair, and grammatically correct at the cryptic level.</p>
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		<title>By: Wil Ransome</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wil Ransome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 23:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Note to Peter (I think), or whoever wrote the details of the SETTERS at the top of the page: Tees is not medium: he is hard; very hard.  And I&#039;m not sure that he&#039;s all that libertarian.  It all seemed pretty sound and Ximenean to me.

I failed to complete this (five to go), but apart from the ludicrously difficult BUMPPO I understood it all when I saw the answers.  Fair cop.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note to Peter (I think), or whoever wrote the details of the SETTERS at the top of the page: Tees is not medium: he is hard; very hard.  And I&#8217;m not sure that he&#8217;s all that libertarian.  It all seemed pretty sound and Ximenean to me.</p>
<p>I failed to complete this (five to go), but apart from the ludicrously difficult BUMPPO I understood it all when I saw the answers.  Fair cop.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 22:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I forgot to say, nmsindy, thanks for an excellent blog on a tough nut. I thought it asked only marginally too much, certainly in Bumppo, perhaps in Pirsig, and conceivably in Scrapepenny and Gentoo. I had my usual blind spots on O&#039;Neill (6)and TV Dinner (2,6), though. Can&#039;t bring myself to see TV as a two-letter word. And of course, having seen Ibsen, I justified the illness as BSE removing In, rather than IBS removing En.

Fair play to the setter, I suppose! Just not every day, please . . .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forgot to say, nmsindy, thanks for an excellent blog on a tough nut. I thought it asked only marginally too much, certainly in Bumppo, perhaps in Pirsig, and conceivably in Scrapepenny and Gentoo. I had my usual blind spots on O&#8217;Neill (6)and TV Dinner (2,6), though. Can&#8217;t bring myself to see TV as a two-letter word. And of course, having seen Ibsen, I justified the illness as BSE removing In, rather than IBS removing En.</p>
<p>Fair play to the setter, I suppose! Just not every day, please . . .</p>
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