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		<title>By: JMo</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2008/11/14/guardian-24546orlando/#comment-54522</link>
		<dc:creator>JMo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for the info on &#039;di&#039; Ralph - like you said, it&#039;s all about learning the conventions.

Geoff: yes, this occured to me after leaving the comment - it was an example of getting to the right answer via the wrong thought process. &#039;Island state&#039; led me to play around with the abbreviations for Hawaii and Rhode Island before settling on New York because of Manhattan, Staten, Ellis etc, as it later occured to me, Island was a separate entity in the clue and gave the I. Just one of those things that sometimes happens.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the info on &#8216;di&#8217; Ralph &#8211; like you said, it&#8217;s all about learning the conventions.</p>
<p>Geoff: yes, this occured to me after leaving the comment &#8211; it was an example of getting to the right answer via the wrong thought process. &#8216;Island state&#8217; led me to play around with the abbreviations for Hawaii and Rhode Island before settling on New York because of Manhattan, Staten, Ellis etc, as it later occured to me, Island was a separate entity in the clue and gave the I. Just one of those things that sometimes happens.</p>
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		<title>By: Ralph G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ralph G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[JMo, I don&#039;t think your query about DI (#8 above) has received an answer. I reckon it is a throwback to an earlier age, pre-1960?, earlier?, when such diminutives were used principally of and by young children. DI happens to have alternative clues but in other cases &#039;boy&#039;,&#039;girl&#039; etc are a sort of conventional clue, helpful once you&#039;re aware of the convention!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JMo, I don&#8217;t think your query about DI (#8 above) has received an answer. I reckon it is a throwback to an earlier age, pre-1960?, earlier?, when such diminutives were used principally of and by young children. DI happens to have alternative clues but in other cases &#8216;boy&#8217;,'girl&#8217; etc are a sort of conventional clue, helpful once you&#8217;re aware of the convention!</p>
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		<title>By: smutchin</title>
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		<dc:creator>smutchin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[JMo - &quot;inst&quot; and &quot;ult&quot; are letter-writing abbreviations, as in &quot;Re your letter of the 14th inst...&quot; In their time, they would have been considered jargon but now they seem a bit old-fashioned and, as you rightly say, rarely see the light of day outside crossword clues. &quot;Re&quot; has survived due to its adoption in email.

I&#039;d like to see crossword setters use a few contemporary abbreviations and acronyms occasionally - ROFL, IMHO, RTFM. Surely even the most fuddy-duddy of Guardian readers is familiar with these examples?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JMo &#8211; &#8220;inst&#8221; and &#8220;ult&#8221; are letter-writing abbreviations, as in &#8220;Re your letter of the 14th inst&#8230;&#8221; In their time, they would have been considered jargon but now they seem a bit old-fashioned and, as you rightly say, rarely see the light of day outside crossword clues. &#8220;Re&#8221; has survived due to its adoption in email.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to see crossword setters use a few contemporary abbreviations and acronyms occasionally &#8211; ROFL, IMHO, RTFM. Surely even the most fuddy-duddy of Guardian readers is familiar with these examples?</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Stark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Stark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 15:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Boarded a plane at Heathrow yesterday armed with The Times, The Telegraph and The Guardian. 

Finished The Telegraph before we had left the ground (a long standing personal challenge at which I always seem to succeed, boringly). Finished The Times before the drinks trolley came round. Enjoyed the drinks trolley and its subsequent visits, perhaps a little too much. Slept the rest of the journey. Woke up, 4am, in a dingy East Coast hotel. Turned to The Guardian crossword - and now I am happy. Thoroughly enjoyed this and it was pitched at exactly the right level for a weary traveller!

Through bleary eyes I managed to raise a smile at 11a, 13a and 23a, and almost cheered when I tumbled 22d.  Simple but great fun. Thanks Orlando.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boarded a plane at Heathrow yesterday armed with The Times, The Telegraph and The Guardian. </p>
<p>Finished The Telegraph before we had left the ground (a long standing personal challenge at which I always seem to succeed, boringly). Finished The Times before the drinks trolley came round. Enjoyed the drinks trolley and its subsequent visits, perhaps a little too much. Slept the rest of the journey. Woke up, 4am, in a dingy East Coast hotel. Turned to The Guardian crossword &#8211; and now I am happy. Thoroughly enjoyed this and it was pitched at exactly the right level for a weary traveller!</p>
<p>Through bleary eyes I managed to raise a smile at 11a, 13a and 23a, and almost cheered when I tumbled 22d.  Simple but great fun. Thanks Orlando.</p>
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		<title>By: Eddie Nabook</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eddie Nabook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Needed a little help on this one (I&#039;m a novice), and was about to say that I really enjoyed 18a - then thought better of it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Needed a little help on this one (I&#8217;m a novice), and was about to say that I really enjoyed 18a &#8211; then thought better of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff Moss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoff Moss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 12:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[JMo
23a is I QUIT (I abandon) in I (island) NY (state)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JMo<br />
23a is I QUIT (I abandon) in I (island) NY (state)</p>
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		<title>By: JMo</title>
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		<dc:creator>JMo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 12:21:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good puzzle - did it this morning as yesterday was an early start.

I&#039;ve been getting into cryptic crosswords over the last month or so, after years of avoiding them and have been finding most of the Guardian&#039;s offerings (including this one) surprisingly doable. This blog has been a great help for the times when I&#039;ve arrived at an answer and known that it&#039;s correct, but could only see part of the reason why. That having been said, occasionally I&#039;m none the wiser even after a clue has been broken down on here - for example, in this puzzle I managed to arrive at 23 across, but cannot understand where the initial &#039;I&#039; fits in (could anyone enlighten me?).

I also struggle with the abbreviations (e.g. 24 across eluded me here), especially with those whereby it seems one simply needs to know the convention and has no other possible logic for figuring it out. I was doing a puzzle this week in which &#039;young girl&#039; was supposed to lead to &#039;di&#039; - which I simply cannot fathom. &#039;Lady&#039;, &#039;princess&#039;, &#039;police officer&#039;, &#039;dual&#039; or several others might have given me a chance, but why &#039;young girl&#039;?

Great blog, thanks to all for the insights.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good puzzle &#8211; did it this morning as yesterday was an early start.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been getting into cryptic crosswords over the last month or so, after years of avoiding them and have been finding most of the Guardian&#8217;s offerings (including this one) surprisingly doable. This blog has been a great help for the times when I&#8217;ve arrived at an answer and known that it&#8217;s correct, but could only see part of the reason why. That having been said, occasionally I&#8217;m none the wiser even after a clue has been broken down on here &#8211; for example, in this puzzle I managed to arrive at 23 across, but cannot understand where the initial &#8216;I&#8217; fits in (could anyone enlighten me?).</p>
<p>I also struggle with the abbreviations (e.g. 24 across eluded me here), especially with those whereby it seems one simply needs to know the convention and has no other possible logic for figuring it out. I was doing a puzzle this week in which &#8216;young girl&#8217; was supposed to lead to &#8216;di&#8217; &#8211; which I simply cannot fathom. &#8216;Lady&#8217;, &#8216;princess&#8217;, &#8216;police officer&#8217;, &#8216;dual&#8217; or several others might have given me a chance, but why &#8216;young girl&#8217;?</p>
<p>Great blog, thanks to all for the insights.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul B</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2008/11/14/guardian-24546orlando/#comment-53875</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 11:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think there&#039;ll be 50+ comments for this one. Really good.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;ll be 50+ comments for this one. Really good.</p>
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		<title>By: muck</title>
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		<dc:creator>muck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Orlando, I enjoyed the puzzle too. And good to have another setter commenting on 15sqd!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Orlando, I enjoyed the puzzle too. And good to have another setter commenting on 15sqd!</p>
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		<title>By: Orlando</title>
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		<dc:creator>Orlando</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 14:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you, Andrew, for a fine blog, and to all for your generous comments. I&#039;m really pleased that the crossword seems to have been enjoyed.

Smutchin, regarding the length indication of (8) rather than (1,7) or (1&#039;7) for O&#039;CONNELL - you&#039;re logically correct but it is just one of those crossword conventions that apostrophes are ignored in the length indicators. I suppose it&#039;s because it would be too much of a give-away if they were indicated.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Andrew, for a fine blog, and to all for your generous comments. I&#8217;m really pleased that the crossword seems to have been enjoyed.</p>
<p>Smutchin, regarding the length indication of (8) rather than (1,7) or (1&#8217;7) for O&#8217;CONNELL &#8211; you&#8217;re logically correct but it is just one of those crossword conventions that apostrophes are ignored in the length indicators. I suppose it&#8217;s because it would be too much of a give-away if they were indicated.</p>
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