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	<title>Comments on: Guardian 24,552 &#8211; Gordius</title>
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		<title>By: Geoff Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoff Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 00:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[stiofain got it without an indicator!

Nicknames are generally a sign of affection. I love the monkey puzzler dearly. All in our family refer to him as Arry, mainly because we&#039;ve always struggled to pronounce his name - Owrickairia ... Arrowkeeria, and so on. Sad, but true. 

I like your clue because it links cockney with Pearly Kings and Queens and also because it suggests we&#039;re all unworthy swine, which is true! My clue would be: 

Prince of the grid can&#039;t be topped - but he is! (4) 

which has a slight Araucarian cheekiness about it. 

I&#039;m afraid Arry&#039;s just beginning to lose it though, in his advancing years. I believe clues should spark a tiny picture in one&#039;s mind that is whole; they should say something, however brief, that makes sense - even if it&#039;s a crazy crossword-ese sense, if you know what I mean. But so often now the reverend&#039;s clues are a meaningless string of clue parts without an overall picture being drawn. I don&#039;t mean an overall picture of the answer. I&#039;m drivelling (not unusual) without examples, so next time I see one (by him or anybody else) I&#039;ll submit it for comment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>stiofain got it without an indicator!</p>
<p>Nicknames are generally a sign of affection. I love the monkey puzzler dearly. All in our family refer to him as Arry, mainly because we&#8217;ve always struggled to pronounce his name &#8211; Owrickairia &#8230; Arrowkeeria, and so on. Sad, but true. </p>
<p>I like your clue because it links cockney with Pearly Kings and Queens and also because it suggests we&#8217;re all unworthy swine, which is true! My clue would be: </p>
<p>Prince of the grid can&#8217;t be topped &#8211; but he is! (4) </p>
<p>which has a slight Araucarian cheekiness about it. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m afraid Arry&#8217;s just beginning to lose it though, in his advancing years. I believe clues should spark a tiny picture in one&#8217;s mind that is whole; they should say something, however brief, that makes sense &#8211; even if it&#8217;s a crazy crossword-ese sense, if you know what I mean. But so often now the reverend&#8217;s clues are a meaningless string of clue parts without an overall picture being drawn. I don&#8217;t mean an overall picture of the answer. I&#8217;m drivelling (not unusual) without examples, so next time I see one (by him or anybody else) I&#8217;ll submit it for comment.</p>
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		<title>By: stiofain_x</title>
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		<dc:creator>stiofain_x</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 23:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[geoff
are u daring to call our sainted araucaria the diminutive &quot;arry&quot;?
if so you should at least post a clue establishing this nickname

cockney hassle disrespects the king of pearls (4) 

stiofain]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>geoff<br />
are u daring to call our sainted araucaria the diminutive &#8220;arry&#8221;?<br />
if so you should at least post a clue establishing this nickname</p>
<p>cockney hassle disrespects the king of pearls (4) </p>
<p>stiofain</p>
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		<title>By: Paul B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 17:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And who might Arry be? You&#039;ve mentioned the name twice as if it were a well-known pseudonym – not to me, I regret to announce.

As to hidden words, I was told early on (by those who taught me everything I know, but not everything they themselves know) to consider them not only an opportunity to shine with a really decent indicator, but also as the perfect chance to let solvers in, especially in the case of a generally tough puzzle. But, even if times have changed to the extent Geoff suggests, &#039;for&#039; as a hidden indicator is more than just &#039;difficult&#039; – it&#039;s downright unrecognisable, and that shurely can&#039;t be fair.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And who might Arry be? You&#8217;ve mentioned the name twice as if it were a well-known pseudonym – not to me, I regret to announce.</p>
<p>As to hidden words, I was told early on (by those who taught me everything I know, but not everything they themselves know) to consider them not only an opportunity to shine with a really decent indicator, but also as the perfect chance to let solvers in, especially in the case of a generally tough puzzle. But, even if times have changed to the extent Geoff suggests, &#8216;for&#8217; as a hidden indicator is more than just &#8216;difficult&#8217; – it&#8217;s downright unrecognisable, and that shurely can&#8217;t be fair.</p>
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		<title>By: KG</title>
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		<dc:creator>KG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 16:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[22ac - &quot;A ute is aussie slang ...&quot;  Surely this should be an ute.  Or would that be an eft? :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>22ac &#8211; &#8220;A ute is aussie slang &#8230;&#8221;  Surely this should be an ute.  Or would that be an eft? <img src='http://www.fifteensquared.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Geoff Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoff Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 13:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Can I make a more general point arising from the &#039;for&#039; debate? Maybe wizened, wily compilers like Arry reckon we should have to work a bit to find the one or two &#039;hidden&#039; answers in every grid, since they are frankly too easy once one has spotted the indicator.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can I make a more general point arising from the &#8216;for&#8217; debate? Maybe wizened, wily compilers like Arry reckon we should have to work a bit to find the one or two &#8216;hidden&#8217; answers in every grid, since they are frankly too easy once one has spotted the indicator.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 01:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#039;For&#039; is one of those words that can mean just about whatever you want it to, with 26 subheads in Collins (not in any sense the most detailed of refs). And I&#039;m sure compilers could argue that in the sense &#039;over a span of&#039; there is no logical reason why it shouldn&#039;t indicate a hidden word. But due to its ultra-frequent use as a simple link word (as in e.g. &#039;get X for Y+Z&#039;), how we are to differentiate is the problem. 

Having been clever and spotted it, I&#039;m not exactly sure how satisfied I&#039;d feel. Poor me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;For&#8217; is one of those words that can mean just about whatever you want it to, with 26 subheads in Collins (not in any sense the most detailed of refs). And I&#8217;m sure compilers could argue that in the sense &#8216;over a span of&#8217; there is no logical reason why it shouldn&#8217;t indicate a hidden word. But due to its ultra-frequent use as a simple link word (as in e.g. &#8216;get X for Y+Z&#8217;), how we are to differentiate is the problem. </p>
<p>Having been clever and spotted it, I&#8217;m not exactly sure how satisfied I&#8217;d feel. Poor me.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Ellison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Ellison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 21:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A nice Grauniad, Mhl!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A nice Grauniad, Mhl!</p>
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		<title>By: stiofain_x</title>
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		<dc:creator>stiofain_x</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 21:02:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[mhl 
couple of nice araucaria classics there
stiofain]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mhl<br />
couple of nice araucaria classics there<br />
stiofain</p>
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		<title>By: stiofain_x</title>
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		<dc:creator>stiofain_x</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 20:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[rich 
the quotation marks in 5dn are (imho) one of the best examples of misdirection i have seen lately making you think that the ans is related to the famous poem &quot;the rime (sic) of the ancient mariner&quot; by samuel taylor coleridge
commas, dashes, full stops and a variety of other devices are used in this way too
stiofain]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rich<br />
the quotation marks in 5dn are (imho) one of the best examples of misdirection i have seen lately making you think that the ans is related to the famous poem &#8220;the rime (sic) of the ancient mariner&#8221; by samuel taylor coleridge<br />
commas, dashes, full stops and a variety of other devices are used in this way too<br />
stiofain</p>
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		<title>By: mhl</title>
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		<dc:creator>mhl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 20:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In fact, in that essay it defines the non-U term &quot;posh&quot; with:

&quot;&lt;em&gt;Posh&lt;/em&gt; &#039;smart&#039; is essentially non-U but, recently, it has gained ground among schoolboys of all classes&quot;

So, I think that provides completely canonical support for &quot;smart&quot; for U!  (Apologies to Gordius for doubting...)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In fact, in that essay it defines the non-U term &#8220;posh&#8221; with:</p>
<p>&#8220;<em>Posh</em> &#8216;smart&#8217; is essentially non-U but, recently, it has gained ground among schoolboys of all classes&#8221;</p>
<p>So, I think that provides completely canonical support for &#8220;smart&#8221; for U!  (Apologies to Gordius for doubting&#8230;)</p>
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