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	<title>Comments on: Guardian 24558 / Chifonie</title>
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	<description>Never knowingly undersolved.</description>
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		<title>By: Ralph G</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2008/11/28/guardian-24558-chifonie/#comment-56419</link>
		<dc:creator>Ralph G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 22:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[19a NAKED=unarmed. Perhaps what Nye Bevan had in mind at the 1957 Labour Party conference debate on nuclear disarmament when he spoke of a British Foreign Secretary “being sent naked into the conference chamber” if the disarmament resolution were passed. Less recently, more appositely, Daniel Defoe 1727 writes ” I .. scorn to take up arms against a naked man” and J Barbour Bruce 1487 has “He was armyt, The t’othir naked was”.
For ‘double cognate’ lovers: the same Indo-Eurpoean root nagnaka gives rise to nude via Latin nudus and to naked via nag and nak in the Teutonic langauages; naga is current Hindu for a naked mendicant.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>19a NAKED=unarmed. Perhaps what Nye Bevan had in mind at the 1957 Labour Party conference debate on nuclear disarmament when he spoke of a British Foreign Secretary “being sent naked into the conference chamber” if the disarmament resolution were passed. Less recently, more appositely, Daniel Defoe 1727 writes ” I .. scorn to take up arms against a naked man” and J Barbour Bruce 1487 has “He was armyt, The t’othir naked was”.<br />
For ‘double cognate’ lovers: the same Indo-Eurpoean root nagnaka gives rise to nude via Latin nudus and to naked via nag and nak in the Teutonic langauages; naga is current Hindu for a naked mendicant.</p>
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		<title>By: Ralph G</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2008/11/28/guardian-24558-chifonie/#comment-56349</link>
		<dc:creator>Ralph G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 12:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[RRE is used for &#039;rare earth elements&#039; but I don&#039;t suppose many of us read the Journal of Petroleum Geology.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RRE is used for &#8216;rare earth elements&#8217; but I don&#8217;t suppose many of us read the Journal of Petroleum Geology.</p>
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		<title>By: Barnaby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barnaby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 11:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[R for rare appears to be a term in philately - see http://www.askphil.org/b25r.htm. My understanding of it is that R indicates &quot;somewhat rare&quot;, RR &quot;definitely rare&quot;, RRR &quot;super-rare&quot; - though I agree with Eileen that it would be more amusing to apply it to steaks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>R for rare appears to be a term in philately &#8211; see <a href="http://www.askphil.org/b25r.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.askphil.org/b25r.htm</a>. My understanding of it is that R indicates &#8220;somewhat rare&#8221;, RR &#8220;definitely rare&#8221;, RRR &#8220;super-rare&#8221; &#8211; though I agree with Eileen that it would be more amusing to apply it to steaks.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Ellison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Ellison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 19:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Usually I start the Xword on the bus to work in the mornings. Today, exceptionally (putting out controls most of the day for an orienteering event), I started at 5pm and breezed through it, though with a slow down B-L; there must be a lesson for me here.

My mother used &quot;paddy&quot; for &quot;temper&quot;,  a common word around my home area (N Lancashire)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Usually I start the Xword on the bus to work in the mornings. Today, exceptionally (putting out controls most of the day for an orienteering event), I started at 5pm and breezed through it, though with a slow down B-L; there must be a lesson for me here.</p>
<p>My mother used &#8220;paddy&#8221; for &#8220;temper&#8221;,  a common word around my home area (N Lancashire)</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Murray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 17:47:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Blasted through this only to get stuck on 27a as I had put Ajoin(for reasons only known to myself)for 22d, enjoyable puzzle despite my stupidity!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blasted through this only to get stuck on 27a as I had put Ajoin(for reasons only known to myself)for 22d, enjoyable puzzle despite my stupidity!</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 17:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[P.S.
Didn&#039;t Sam Weller stutter?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S.<br />
Didn&#8217;t Sam Weller stutter?</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 17:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Are there any rules for single letter abbreviations? I find their indiscriminate use by some setters irritating. 
The &quot;s&quot; in &quot;Son&#039;s&quot; in 28 ac seems to me to be superfluous and only there to make the surface readable. Clumsy. Perhaps &quot;second&quot; would have been better.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are there any rules for single letter abbreviations? I find their indiscriminate use by some setters irritating.<br />
The &#8220;s&#8221; in &#8220;Son&#8217;s&#8221; in 28 ac seems to me to be superfluous and only there to make the surface readable. Clumsy. Perhaps &#8220;second&#8221; would have been better.</p>
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		<title>By: Phaedrus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phaedrus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 14:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One of the most famous and beautiful games of chess ever played was by Anderssen in 1852 - you can play it back to yourself here (http://www.chessnation.com/chessboard/evergreen.html)

Because of its enduring quality, it has been dubbed his &quot;Evergreen Game&quot;

I was so happy to be reminded of this by the puzzle today; I dont think Ive looked at it for 20 years.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the most famous and beautiful games of chess ever played was by Anderssen in 1852 &#8211; you can play it back to yourself here (<a href="http://www.chessnation.com/chessboard/evergreen.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.chessnation.com/chessboard/evergreen.html</a>)</p>
<p>Because of its enduring quality, it has been dubbed his &#8220;Evergreen Game&#8221;</p>
<p>I was so happy to be reminded of this by the puzzle today; I dont think Ive looked at it for 20 years.</p>
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		<title>By: Eileen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eileen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 13:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[PS re 26ac: I forgot to say I did spend a minute or two wondering who Brian Spitt was...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS re 26ac: I forgot to say I did spend a minute or two wondering who Brian Spitt was&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Eileen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eileen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 13:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don; I don&#039;t know whether Ian was more worried about the Kay than the definition, which seems straightforward enough.

Mhl: as far as I can find out from Google, Callas&#039; last &#039;Norma&#039; [which I mentioned only yesterday as being beloved of setters] was not at La Scala - but that doesn&#039;t spoil an excellent &amp;lit clue. That would just have been the icing on the cake.

No luck with the context of R = rare, either. [I can imagine myself having used it when a waitress in my student days on a steak order to the chef.]

I enjoyed this puzzle - apart from the naked over-exposure, particularly as the two answers crossed. I loved 26ac.

23dn: I took this as eats as in &#039;What&#039;s eating you?&#039;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don; I don&#8217;t know whether Ian was more worried about the Kay than the definition, which seems straightforward enough.</p>
<p>Mhl: as far as I can find out from Google, Callas&#8217; last &#8216;Norma&#8217; [which I mentioned only yesterday as being beloved of setters] was not at La Scala &#8211; but that doesn&#8217;t spoil an excellent &amp;lit clue. That would just have been the icing on the cake.</p>
<p>No luck with the context of R = rare, either. [I can imagine myself having used it when a waitress in my student days on a steak order to the chef.]</p>
<p>I enjoyed this puzzle &#8211; apart from the naked over-exposure, particularly as the two answers crossed. I loved 26ac.</p>
<p>23dn: I took this as eats as in &#8216;What&#8217;s eating you?&#8217;</p>
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