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		<title>By: Neil</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2009/01/22/guardian-24603araucaria/#comment-65186</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 16:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They&#039;re called crossword PUZZLES folks. They&#039;re supposed to, um, be puzzling. Finished it with no complaints whatsoever and with enjoyment. I like those moments when you chuckle whilst wanting to give the setter a good clip round the ear.

Sorry I&#039;m so late, but I always read the paper a day behind, sometimes two days, so can&#039;t really join in your blogfest, but thanks for the entertainment. I never look until I&#039;m done.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#8217;re called crossword PUZZLES folks. They&#8217;re supposed to, um, be puzzling. Finished it with no complaints whatsoever and with enjoyment. I like those moments when you chuckle whilst wanting to give the setter a good clip round the ear.</p>
<p>Sorry I&#8217;m so late, but I always read the paper a day behind, sometimes two days, so can&#8217;t really join in your blogfest, but thanks for the entertainment. I never look until I&#8217;m done.</p>
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		<title>By: Barnaby Page</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2009/01/22/guardian-24603araucaria/#comment-65070</link>
		<dc:creator>Barnaby Page</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 15:45:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If I can just add my still small voice to the whingefest...

I think Brian Harris hits the nail on the head. The problem with this one was the sheer number of incomplete clues (nearly 50%) combined with the fact that they weren&#039;t identified.

This made me unwilling to invest much time in any given clue because of the high chance that I was reading it incorrectly (looking for a literal definition where none existed, or assuming it was absent when it was actually there).

For the same reason, I was wary of putting much confidence in those I did solve, as there was always the chance that I&#039;d put the clue in the wrong category, and come up with an incorrect solution that worked purely by coincidence.

If there had been fewer incompletes, or they&#039;d been asterisked, I&#039;d have been much happier. I see that today&#039;s (Saturday&#039;s) is along similar lines but I guess that&#039;s rather more acceptable on a prize crossword.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I can just add my still small voice to the whingefest&#8230;</p>
<p>I think Brian Harris hits the nail on the head. The problem with this one was the sheer number of incomplete clues (nearly 50%) combined with the fact that they weren&#8217;t identified.</p>
<p>This made me unwilling to invest much time in any given clue because of the high chance that I was reading it incorrectly (looking for a literal definition where none existed, or assuming it was absent when it was actually there).</p>
<p>For the same reason, I was wary of putting much confidence in those I did solve, as there was always the chance that I&#8217;d put the clue in the wrong category, and come up with an incorrect solution that worked purely by coincidence.</p>
<p>If there had been fewer incompletes, or they&#8217;d been asterisked, I&#8217;d have been much happier. I see that today&#8217;s (Saturday&#8217;s) is along similar lines but I guess that&#8217;s rather more acceptable on a prize crossword.</p>
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		<title>By: C &#38; J</title>
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		<dc:creator>C &#38; J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 15:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s amazing what a large response Araucaria always raises. It must mean something and we think it is a very big something.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s amazing what a large response Araucaria always raises. It must mean something and we think it is a very big something.</p>
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		<title>By: Noel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 14:06:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just got round to checking the answers, and I must say I found this the most frustrating puzzle ofr weeks - just couldn&#039;t get into the theme, and gave up with only 4 or 5 solutions.

17d Lisbon! That&#039;s a really terrible clue - bon isn&#039;t even Portuguese for &#039;good&#039; (it&#039;s bom/boa).

I do sometimes enjoy Araucaria, but often find the clues overstretch my vocabulary - and my idea of a good puzzle is one I can solve without using any reference books or resorting to Google.

Still, moving on, I&#039;m just about to start today&#039;s...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just got round to checking the answers, and I must say I found this the most frustrating puzzle ofr weeks &#8211; just couldn&#8217;t get into the theme, and gave up with only 4 or 5 solutions.</p>
<p>17d Lisbon! That&#8217;s a really terrible clue &#8211; bon isn&#8217;t even Portuguese for &#8216;good&#8217; (it&#8217;s bom/boa).</p>
<p>I do sometimes enjoy Araucaria, but often find the clues overstretch my vocabulary &#8211; and my idea of a good puzzle is one I can solve without using any reference books or resorting to Google.</p>
<p>Still, moving on, I&#8217;m just about to start today&#8217;s&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Paul G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 12:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To Eileen #52:

#  Eileen Says:
January 22nd, 2009 at 9:11 pm

&quot;Does the fact that you haven’t heard of the expression ‘the great wen’ mean thatit’s unfair? We usually all agree that it’s a poor day when we don’t learn something.&quot;

Quite often I learn two or three new words when solving a cryptic, but they are usually in the answer rather than the clue :) And a good clue would usually allow me to hazard a guess even if I have never heard of the word (Wednesday&#039;s &quot;aitchbone&quot; being a fine example) .


&quot;My children were encouraged not to describe a new food as ‘horrible’, simply because they didn’t like it.&quot;

Good. My point was not that Araucaria is &quot;horrible&quot;, rather that relative to the other Guardian setters his puzzles are out of place. Typically I can get 90-100% of most Guardian setters, with Araucaria I can barely get started. Admittedly, I&#039;ve only been trying the cryptics for a year or so, but seeing Araucaria at the bottom of the grid makes my heart sink.

&quot;As a regularly self-confessed Araucaria ‘girl’[!] [a devotee of over thirty years] I hope I’ve usually expressed reservations about clues when I’ve had them. It’s certainly not blind ‘hero worship’.&quot;

Absolutely fair enough. I&#039;ve just noticed that he seems to have an elevated status amongst the setters and the solvers, and I personally don&#039;t see why. Perhaps one day it&#039;ll click :)

&quot;Can we just agree to differ?&quot;

Of course! I suspect that Araucaria is the Marmite of setters :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Eileen #52:</p>
<p>#  Eileen Says:<br />
January 22nd, 2009 at 9:11 pm</p>
<p>&#8220;Does the fact that you haven’t heard of the expression ‘the great wen’ mean thatit’s unfair? We usually all agree that it’s a poor day when we don’t learn something.&#8221;</p>
<p>Quite often I learn two or three new words when solving a cryptic, but they are usually in the answer rather than the clue <img src='http://www.fifteensquared.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  And a good clue would usually allow me to hazard a guess even if I have never heard of the word (Wednesday&#8217;s &#8220;aitchbone&#8221; being a fine example) .</p>
<p>&#8220;My children were encouraged not to describe a new food as ‘horrible’, simply because they didn’t like it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Good. My point was not that Araucaria is &#8220;horrible&#8221;, rather that relative to the other Guardian setters his puzzles are out of place. Typically I can get 90-100% of most Guardian setters, with Araucaria I can barely get started. Admittedly, I&#8217;ve only been trying the cryptics for a year or so, but seeing Araucaria at the bottom of the grid makes my heart sink.</p>
<p>&#8220;As a regularly self-confessed Araucaria ‘girl’[!] [a devotee of over thirty years] I hope I’ve usually expressed reservations about clues when I’ve had them. It’s certainly not blind ‘hero worship’.&#8221;</p>
<p>Absolutely fair enough. I&#8217;ve just noticed that he seems to have an elevated status amongst the setters and the solvers, and I personally don&#8217;t see why. Perhaps one day it&#8217;ll click <img src='http://www.fifteensquared.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>&#8220;Can we just agree to differ?&#8221;</p>
<p>Of course! I suspect that Araucaria is the Marmite of setters <img src='http://www.fifteensquared.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Kamintone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kamintone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 11:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My partner and I are great fans of Araucaria, but struggled with this one and eventually gave up in disgust with five clues unsolved.  We were rather hamstrung, though, by thinking that the theme was symphonies rather than cities - Prague was the first we got, then London, and of course the New World ...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My partner and I are great fans of Araucaria, but struggled with this one and eventually gave up in disgust with five clues unsolved.  We were rather hamstrung, though, by thinking that the theme was symphonies rather than cities &#8211; Prague was the first we got, then London, and of course the New World &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tyro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tyro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 10:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve just found an Araucaria blog in December with 76 comments. Snap!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve just found an Araucaria blog in December with 76 comments. Snap!</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 10:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Surely the fact that you have to guess how the clue fits the puzzle is the whole idea of a crossword!  Personally, I enjoy a break from the strict routine with Auraucaria&#039;s puzzles, but I would never describe them as difficult -- in fact his usual tricks (themes, alphabetical answers, etc.) just provide more information to work with. Even if they&#039;re relatively quick to solve, though, they&#039;re a darn sight more clever and entertaining than those awful Rufus puzzles, which aren&#039;t even cryptic for the most part.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surely the fact that you have to guess how the clue fits the puzzle is the whole idea of a crossword!  Personally, I enjoy a break from the strict routine with Auraucaria&#8217;s puzzles, but I would never describe them as difficult &#8212; in fact his usual tricks (themes, alphabetical answers, etc.) just provide more information to work with. Even if they&#8217;re relatively quick to solve, though, they&#8217;re a darn sight more clever and entertaining than those awful Rufus puzzles, which aren&#8217;t even cryptic for the most part.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Harris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 10:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m with the critics, I&#039;m afraid. Some baffling and bizarre clues, and a puzzle that wasn&#039;t enjoyable because it consisted mostly of running through all the European capitals to fit them into the grid and then struggling to back-construct them from the definitions, in some cases without any success. Generally, grids where a lot of clues &quot;have no further definition&quot; can just be a pain, as for every clue, you have to guess whether it comes into that category or is a standard clue.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with the critics, I&#8217;m afraid. Some baffling and bizarre clues, and a puzzle that wasn&#8217;t enjoyable because it consisted mostly of running through all the European capitals to fit them into the grid and then struggling to back-construct them from the definitions, in some cases without any success. Generally, grids where a lot of clues &#8220;have no further definition&#8221; can just be a pain, as for every clue, you have to guess whether it comes into that category or is a standard clue.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Ellison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Ellison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 08:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[mm, to say the least!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mm, to say the least!</p>
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