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		<title>By: Russ Reilly</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2009/02/02/guardian-24612rufus/#comment-66640</link>
		<dc:creator>Russ Reilly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 09:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Stiofain
as a web designer who does crosswords i find your comment about flash a bit odd. 90% of PCs have flash installled and it is styling the future wave of internet applications. you can&#039;t talk about cutting edge in one paragraph and then slate it in the next. Regarding the Disability Discrimination Act are you saying that the a crossword site discriminates against blind people? It&#039;s good to see interactive crosswords on the internet for numerous reasons.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stiofain<br />
as a web designer who does crosswords i find your comment about flash a bit odd. 90% of PCs have flash installled and it is styling the future wave of internet applications. you can&#8217;t talk about cutting edge in one paragraph and then slate it in the next. Regarding the Disability Discrimination Act are you saying that the a crossword site discriminates against blind people? It&#8217;s good to see interactive crosswords on the internet for numerous reasons.</p>
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		<title>By: John Pidgeon</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2009/02/02/guardian-24612rufus/#comment-66532</link>
		<dc:creator>John Pidgeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 18:34:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I actually pasted what I wrote here to the Guardian site, Stiofain, and I wasn&#039;t trying to refute criticism - just direct people to the x-oku site.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually pasted what I wrote here to the Guardian site, Stiofain, and I wasn&#8217;t trying to refute criticism &#8211; just direct people to the x-oku site.</p>
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		<title>By: stiofain_x</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2009/02/02/guardian-24612rufus/#comment-66527</link>
		<dc:creator>stiofain_x</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 17:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi John
As I said in @ 35 above I thought this was badly researched, sloppy journalism perpetuating the myth that cryptic solvers are all old fuddy-duddys solving the puzzle over a pink gin after re-potting some azaleas while listening to Elgar on their phonograph.

Contributers to this forum ( and solvers in general ) are all ages, come from all walks of life and have vastly varying interests as evinced by the posts and clue preferences.

Guardian setters regularly break the mould when it comes to putting a new spin on cryptics and keeping the format fresh, there were about 15 actors in last weeks prize puzzle and not a one had the forenames Herbert Beerbohm. 

Also I must say that simply copy and pasting your rather weak  (and may I say mealy mouthed ) refutation of the criticisms received from the Guardian sites comments over to this forum is pretty lazy considering that the tone of the criticism was wholly different.

Also apart from your faux-pas in revealing 3 of Saturdays prize answers in your article, one of the revealed answers is a prime example of the fluidity of the English language being no longer primarily an arcane religious reference. It is now known by kids as young as 5 and is a buzz word of the cutting edge of the next generation of 3-D internet technology thereby destroying your argument in one fell swoop.

As for the x-oku I found the clueing weak and the format rather trying in a negative way, the use of Adobe Flash as a method for website navigation is not only a throwback to over-designed sites of several years ago but is actually illegal as it contravenes The Disability Discrimination Act and would never be considered by any self-respecting designer in this day and age.
Just trying to provoke debate.
Stiofain]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi John<br />
As I said in @ 35 above I thought this was badly researched, sloppy journalism perpetuating the myth that cryptic solvers are all old fuddy-duddys solving the puzzle over a pink gin after re-potting some azaleas while listening to Elgar on their phonograph.</p>
<p>Contributers to this forum ( and solvers in general ) are all ages, come from all walks of life and have vastly varying interests as evinced by the posts and clue preferences.</p>
<p>Guardian setters regularly break the mould when it comes to putting a new spin on cryptics and keeping the format fresh, there were about 15 actors in last weeks prize puzzle and not a one had the forenames Herbert Beerbohm. </p>
<p>Also I must say that simply copy and pasting your rather weak  (and may I say mealy mouthed ) refutation of the criticisms received from the Guardian sites comments over to this forum is pretty lazy considering that the tone of the criticism was wholly different.</p>
<p>Also apart from your faux-pas in revealing 3 of Saturdays prize answers in your article, one of the revealed answers is a prime example of the fluidity of the English language being no longer primarily an arcane religious reference. It is now known by kids as young as 5 and is a buzz word of the cutting edge of the next generation of 3-D internet technology thereby destroying your argument in one fell swoop.</p>
<p>As for the x-oku I found the clueing weak and the format rather trying in a negative way, the use of Adobe Flash as a method for website navigation is not only a throwback to over-designed sites of several years ago but is actually illegal as it contravenes The Disability Discrimination Act and would never be considered by any self-respecting designer in this day and age.<br />
Just trying to provoke debate.<br />
Stiofain</p>
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		<title>By: John Pidgeon</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2009/02/02/guardian-24612rufus/#comment-66503</link>
		<dc:creator>John Pidgeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 14:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not sure I agree with absolutely everything I wrote either. I&#039;d be happy to see Britney Spears, for instance, especially since realising what good anagram she gives. I wanted to provoke debate, which I did, and have received appreciative e-mails from solvers aged 23 to 85.
If you want to try something different, check out X-oku, an online crossword/sudoku that I&#039;ve developed. Monday to Friday features a &#039;quick&#039; crossword, but Saturday&#039;s is cryptic, and on the last Saturday of each month the puzzle will be themed. Feedback welcomed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure I agree with absolutely everything I wrote either. I&#8217;d be happy to see Britney Spears, for instance, especially since realising what good anagram she gives. I wanted to provoke debate, which I did, and have received appreciative e-mails from solvers aged 23 to 85.<br />
If you want to try something different, check out X-oku, an online crossword/sudoku that I&#8217;ve developed. Monday to Friday features a &#8216;quick&#8217; crossword, but Saturday&#8217;s is cryptic, and on the last Saturday of each month the puzzle will be themed. Feedback welcomed.</p>
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		<title>By: steven</title>
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		<dc:creator>steven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 00:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[snow joke]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>snow joke</p>
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		<title>By: stiofain_x</title>
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		<dc:creator>stiofain_x</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 23:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes Muck he did reveal answers from Saturdays prize which makes it even worse. If anyone here did that they would be rightfully jumped on.
Stiofain]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Muck he did reveal answers from Saturdays prize which makes it even worse. If anyone here did that they would be rightfully jumped on.<br />
Stiofain</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Ellison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Ellison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 22:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nick:  I find Bradford&#039;s Crossword Solver&#039;s Dictionary is a very useful &quot;cheat&quot; book for all such uses as city = EC etc; and for many others, too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick:  I find Bradford&#8217;s Crossword Solver&#8217;s Dictionary is a very useful &#8220;cheat&#8221; book for all such uses as city = EC etc; and for many others, too.</p>
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		<title>By: brisbanegirl</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2009/02/02/guardian-24612rufus/#comment-66359</link>
		<dc:creator>brisbanegirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 22:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Derek,

Hope you read this as it is now morning here and I am just about to head to work.

I used bad boy as a term of affection,  I enjoy tour contribution the most because it does stir things up and makes me laugh out loud.

Sorry to hear things are not going so well with your leg,  chin up.  And keep stirring,  I love it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Derek,</p>
<p>Hope you read this as it is now morning here and I am just about to head to work.</p>
<p>I used bad boy as a term of affection,  I enjoy tour contribution the most because it does stir things up and makes me laugh out loud.</p>
<p>Sorry to hear things are not going so well with your leg,  chin up.  And keep stirring,  I love it.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Lazenby</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2009/02/02/guardian-24612rufus/#comment-66353</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek Lazenby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 21:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bad boy? Bad boy? Just &#039;cos I enjoy stirring the waters?

Two reasons for thst, the people here think normal is their little ivory tower. They have no idea that the many thousands of mere mortals who daily struggle to get halfway through even a Rufus, would never agree with half the things they say. That&#039;s because no-one like that is here, so being on the border I stick up for the silent majority. 

It never occurs to oanyone here to query why there are so few regulars here when thousands do croswards. So they resent me pointing out that though experts they may be, that in itself makes them totally unrepresentative of the general population. That is what defines experts in any field.

And being experts some of them have an arrogant conceit which makes then sneer at lesser mortals. I was attacked as shouldn&#039;t be doing crosswords. That deserves all the putting in of the boot it gets. If I&#039;m a bad boy how do you describe conceited sneerers? Doesn&#039;t say much for them as being pleasant human beings does it?

The other reason is I&#039;m bored witless waiting for this bloody leg to heal. The quacks say it is the most complex fracture they&#039;ve seen so it is bound to take ages. So rocking boats in ivory towers was going to be part of the therapy even if certain callous bastards hadn&#039;t provoked it.

And I&#039;m not going to comment on today&#039;s crossword, &#039;cos I just wasn&#039;t in the mood to do it properly &#039;cos I was due in to have the bandages and stiches removed from a follow up op &#039;cos of a complication. The self same day as when the whole south came to a halt due to the first serious snow for twenty years. So I have to wait another week. That is now 5 weeks behind normal schedule and another week of abject tedium sitting on the sofa. So, being a fair minded man, having nothing fair to say about today, I shall say nothing.

G&#039;day.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bad boy? Bad boy? Just &#8216;cos I enjoy stirring the waters?</p>
<p>Two reasons for thst, the people here think normal is their little ivory tower. They have no idea that the many thousands of mere mortals who daily struggle to get halfway through even a Rufus, would never agree with half the things they say. That&#8217;s because no-one like that is here, so being on the border I stick up for the silent majority. </p>
<p>It never occurs to oanyone here to query why there are so few regulars here when thousands do croswards. So they resent me pointing out that though experts they may be, that in itself makes them totally unrepresentative of the general population. That is what defines experts in any field.</p>
<p>And being experts some of them have an arrogant conceit which makes then sneer at lesser mortals. I was attacked as shouldn&#8217;t be doing crosswords. That deserves all the putting in of the boot it gets. If I&#8217;m a bad boy how do you describe conceited sneerers? Doesn&#8217;t say much for them as being pleasant human beings does it?</p>
<p>The other reason is I&#8217;m bored witless waiting for this bloody leg to heal. The quacks say it is the most complex fracture they&#8217;ve seen so it is bound to take ages. So rocking boats in ivory towers was going to be part of the therapy even if certain callous bastards hadn&#8217;t provoked it.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m not going to comment on today&#8217;s crossword, &#8216;cos I just wasn&#8217;t in the mood to do it properly &#8216;cos I was due in to have the bandages and stiches removed from a follow up op &#8216;cos of a complication. The self same day as when the whole south came to a halt due to the first serious snow for twenty years. So I have to wait another week. That is now 5 weeks behind normal schedule and another week of abject tedium sitting on the sofa. So, being a fair minded man, having nothing fair to say about today, I shall say nothing.</p>
<p>G&#8217;day.</p>
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		<title>By: muck</title>
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		<dc:creator>muck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 21:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[John Pidgeon appears also to have given some answers to the Saturday prize puzzle?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Pidgeon appears also to have given some answers to the Saturday prize puzzle?</p>
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