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		<title>By: Fletch</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2009/03/17/independent-6994tees/#comment-75216</link>
		<dc:creator>Fletch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 23:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a matter of interest, does 5 comments from a setter on his blog beat the record?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a matter of interest, does 5 comments from a setter on his blog beat the record?</p>
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		<title>By: Testy</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2009/03/17/independent-6994tees/#comment-75175</link>
		<dc:creator>Testy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 19:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Guten Tag Chatmeister, wie gehst?

I think -meister as a suffix is in reasonably common parlance in English these days, used meaning someone skilled at, or in charge of, something.

I thought that the KERATIN clue was great with its beautifully misleading definition and the wonderfully inspired &quot;thou art&quot; wordplay.  I think thou for K is great and I&#039;m  surprised it&#039;s not used more.  I can imagine it being used in something like &quot;I just bought a new motor from this geezer for two thou cos it was past its prime&quot;.

I also don&#039;t see what the problem is with using names whether they be people (dead or alive) or companies.  It seems to be a pretty aritrary convention.  So long as Tees isn&#039;t getting free double glazing or a lifetime&#039;s supply of Big Macs then I&#039;m happy about it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guten Tag Chatmeister, wie gehst?</p>
<p>I think -meister as a suffix is in reasonably common parlance in English these days, used meaning someone skilled at, or in charge of, something.</p>
<p>I thought that the KERATIN clue was great with its beautifully misleading definition and the wonderfully inspired &#8220;thou art&#8221; wordplay.  I think thou for K is great and I&#8217;m  surprised it&#8217;s not used more.  I can imagine it being used in something like &#8220;I just bought a new motor from this geezer for two thou cos it was past its prime&#8221;.</p>
<p>I also don&#8217;t see what the problem is with using names whether they be people (dead or alive) or companies.  It seems to be a pretty aritrary convention.  So long as Tees isn&#8217;t getting free double glazing or a lifetime&#8217;s supply of Big Macs then I&#8217;m happy about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Tees</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2009/03/17/independent-6994tees/#comment-75170</link>
		<dc:creator>Tees</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 17:22:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Any more bloggers out there want to chip in behind Wil?

Ah, Hihoba! Are you George, Jo or Barnie today? Thanks for your opinions, but I&#039;m afraid that&#039;s all they are: unfortunately I can&#039;t see that they impinge on the point I made above. That these indicators are within the available palette is indisputable, and any compiler is entitled to use them - you now attack thou(sand) for K, which is absolutely robust. That you don&#039;t like something is fine, but it makes no difference. There cannot be any disqualification on the grounds of sentiment.

Equally, where does it say that Everest (clued as a mountain, depending on how, for the purposes of making a point, one chooses to interpret it) may not be clued (or, as here, alluded to, depending on how, for the purposes of making a point, one chooses to interpret it) as a company? Again, I don&#039;t mind at all that you dislike the gambit, but there&#039;s no substance other than that to what you say. 

As for McDonald, well he&#039;s the famous founder of a chain of restaurants, rather than the restaurant (fyi called McDonald&#039;s) itself and so again, I can&#039;t undertand why you have a problem. And your pooh-pooh for BURGERMEISTER sums up fairly well for me how much fun people here seemed to be prepared to have with yesterday&#039;s puzzle. 

On other matters Collins defines &#039;race&#039; as &#039;a line of containers&#039; (NZ), so given that Collins is a standard reference tome, I could claim it on that alone. However, a line is &#039;an ancestral series of people&#039; which - you may surmise - is not all that different from &#039;a group of people of common ancestry&#039;. But drive the wedge of negativity into that by all means.

I&#039;ll agree with you on DARTRE, and look forward to your next crit of a Gordius puzzle.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any more bloggers out there want to chip in behind Wil?</p>
<p>Ah, Hihoba! Are you George, Jo or Barnie today? Thanks for your opinions, but I&#8217;m afraid that&#8217;s all they are: unfortunately I can&#8217;t see that they impinge on the point I made above. That these indicators are within the available palette is indisputable, and any compiler is entitled to use them &#8211; you now attack thou(sand) for K, which is absolutely robust. That you don&#8217;t like something is fine, but it makes no difference. There cannot be any disqualification on the grounds of sentiment.</p>
<p>Equally, where does it say that Everest (clued as a mountain, depending on how, for the purposes of making a point, one chooses to interpret it) may not be clued (or, as here, alluded to, depending on how, for the purposes of making a point, one chooses to interpret it) as a company? Again, I don&#8217;t mind at all that you dislike the gambit, but there&#8217;s no substance other than that to what you say. </p>
<p>As for McDonald, well he&#8217;s the famous founder of a chain of restaurants, rather than the restaurant (fyi called McDonald&#8217;s) itself and so again, I can&#8217;t undertand why you have a problem. And your pooh-pooh for BURGERMEISTER sums up fairly well for me how much fun people here seemed to be prepared to have with yesterday&#8217;s puzzle. </p>
<p>On other matters Collins defines &#8216;race&#8217; as &#8216;a line of containers&#8217; (NZ), so given that Collins is a standard reference tome, I could claim it on that alone. However, a line is &#8216;an ancestral series of people&#8217; which &#8211; you may surmise &#8211; is not all that different from &#8216;a group of people of common ancestry&#8217;. But drive the wedge of negativity into that by all means.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll agree with you on DARTRE, and look forward to your next crit of a Gordius puzzle.</p>
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		<title>By: Chatmeister</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chatmeister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 15:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Al Streatfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Al Streatfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 14:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Plea for clarity:

Can bloggers (and preferably commenters) possibly use their own names...?

When Paul B. refers to Wil Ransome as the blogger (who gives his name as John), it just seems to me rather confusing...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Plea for clarity:</p>
<p>Can bloggers (and preferably commenters) possibly use their own names&#8230;?</p>
<p>When Paul B. refers to Wil Ransome as the blogger (who gives his name as John), it just seems to me rather confusing&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Hihoba</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hihoba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 13:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[P.S. Two Companies - McDonald&#039;s too - surely &quot;burgermeister&quot; should only be used if there is a German connotation to the answer. Clever, but very obscure.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S. Two Companies &#8211; McDonald&#8217;s too &#8211; surely &#8220;burgermeister&#8221; should only be used if there is a German connotation to the answer. Clever, but very obscure.</p>
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		<title>By: Hihoba</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hihoba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 13:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t usually comment on daily crosswords, but was very underwhelmed by this one! A company name as an answer (Everest), RACE as line in 7D (dictionary gives lineage, but not line), DARTRE is about as obscure a disease as you could wish to find. I don&#039;t (unlike some of the others) object to R as take, but find thou (which in engineering always meant &quot;thousandth&quot; not thousand) as an indicator for K very obscure for a daily crossword. I would have objected to several of these clues if they had occured in the Inquisitor, let alone the daily Indy!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t usually comment on daily crosswords, but was very underwhelmed by this one! A company name as an answer (Everest), RACE as line in 7D (dictionary gives lineage, but not line), DARTRE is about as obscure a disease as you could wish to find. I don&#8217;t (unlike some of the others) object to R as take, but find thou (which in engineering always meant &#8220;thousandth&#8221; not thousand) as an indicator for K very obscure for a daily crossword. I would have objected to several of these clues if they had occured in the Inquisitor, let alone the daily Indy!</p>
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		<title>By: Tees</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tees</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 12:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s a good point too, with VERT having been around for yonks. OR is gold, and we&#039;re familiar with them both.

But I think in all fairness I could actually say that so long as an indicator is backed by a recognised work of reference (say Chambers), the fact that I like it and somebody else doesn&#039;t is completely irrelevant. In other blogs we&#039;ve seen a variety of weird and wonderful shorthand discussed, and the general practice has been to look it up in a dictionary and declare its provenance one way or the other. Seems a more logical way to go about things than simply to opine!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a good point too, with VERT having been around for yonks. OR is gold, and we&#8217;re familiar with them both.</p>
<p>But I think in all fairness I could actually say that so long as an indicator is backed by a recognised work of reference (say Chambers), the fact that I like it and somebody else doesn&#8217;t is completely irrelevant. In other blogs we&#8217;ve seen a variety of weird and wonderful shorthand discussed, and the general practice has been to look it up in a dictionary and declare its provenance one way or the other. Seems a more logical way to go about things than simply to opine!</p>
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		<title>By: Allan_C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allan_C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 09:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As Tees says, &#039;R&#039; for take has appeared in daily cryptics for years; certainly, I&#039;ve never had any problems with it.  That being said it did take a little while for the penny to drop in 15a.  The whole puzzle was tough, yes, but eventually solved, including Ebenezer, with only a little help.  I went a bit astray at first thinking 16/23/17 might be &#039;Ring of the Nibelungs&#039; before I realised the anagrammatic nature of the clue.  Wasn&#039;t sure about 26 but Chambers confirmed &#039;Dartre&#039; -a new word to me.
And if we&#039;re quibbling about Latin-derived &#039;R&#039; what about &#039;vert&#039;, a French-derived term used in the obscure terminology of heraldry for &#039;green&#039;?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Tees says, &#8216;R&#8217; for take has appeared in daily cryptics for years; certainly, I&#8217;ve never had any problems with it.  That being said it did take a little while for the penny to drop in 15a.  The whole puzzle was tough, yes, but eventually solved, including Ebenezer, with only a little help.  I went a bit astray at first thinking 16/23/17 might be &#8216;Ring of the Nibelungs&#8217; before I realised the anagrammatic nature of the clue.  Wasn&#8217;t sure about 26 but Chambers confirmed &#8216;Dartre&#8217; -a new word to me.<br />
And if we&#8217;re quibbling about Latin-derived &#8216;R&#8217; what about &#8216;vert&#8217;, a French-derived term used in the obscure terminology of heraldry for &#8216;green&#8217;?</p>
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		<title>By: C.G. Rishikesh</title>
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		<dc:creator>C.G. Rishikesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 03:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry.

...without and before any compiler prescribing it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry.</p>
<p>&#8230;without and before any compiler prescribing it.</p>
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