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Independent 7017 by Morph

Posted by NealH on April 13th, 2009


*=anag, []=dropped, <=reversed, hom=homophone, CD=cryptic def

Some nice clues with one or two I didn’t entirely follow.

1 Hazard: Hard around AZ.
5 Banknote: >: Bank + note. Not sure that in general “crisis-hit institution” is an acceptable definition for bank, although I suppose in the present circumstances it’s just about reasonable.
9 Teutonic: I’m not sure about this one – “The Northern European accent’s this, perhaps”. It may just be a double definition (Northern European = teutonic and accent = teutonic), but it seems as if there must be more to it.
10 Condom: >: Con + Mod<. Nice cryptic definition (“possible cause of generation gap”).
11 Plays it by ear: Play + (as Brit[n]ey)*.
13 Lens: Aliens – AI.
14 Agnus dei: A gnu + dies*.
17 Devilled: Devil + led, but I don’t understand the reference to the eight answers.
18 Dole: Do + l[i]e.
20 Letting it rip: I’m not entirely sure about this one. I think it must be rental sector (= letting) + i (= increase) + t (= trebling) + rip, although t for trebling is a new one for me. I’m not sure if it’s used in a musical sense.
23 Caruso: Carous[e] with o moved back.
24 Einstein: (Intense i)*.
25 Eyes ores
26 Easter: (set are)*.
2 Ales: Hidden in “herbal essences”.
3 Antipasti: &lit. Initial letters of “aubergine..pesto” + as + IT<.
4 Denial: Lined< around a
5 Back Seat Drivers: Backs + eat + drivers.
6 Nicotine: Notice* around in.
7 Nancy: NY around ANC. ANC being Mandela’s party, the African National Congress, and Bill’s other half refers to Bill Sikes from Oliver Twist.
8 Two Facedly: Y[ou] + l + decaf< + owt<.
12 Degeneracy: (Y C A reneged)<.
15 Sidepaths: Side + p + at + h[ighway]s.
16 Clangour: “Family group docked rent for loud noise”. I don’t entirely follow this. “Family group” must either be clan or clan g, so that would mean either gour or our is a word for rent with either the last or maybe first and last letters removed.
19 Orange: O (as in zero) range = point blank.
21 Tours: (U sort)*. Tours here refers to a band “playing around”.
22 Nice: NI (Northern Ireland) + CE.

14 Responses to “Independent 7017 by Morph”

  1. Eileen says:

    Hi Neal

    I think 9ac is T’ [‘the’ northern] EU TONIC [accent – a term in linguistics].

    16dn CLAN [family] [GROUp]* – rent is the anagram indicator?

  2. pat says:

    Thanks for the blog, NealH. I enjoyed this. In 20ac, I think “leads to increase, trebling” just means the initials i and t. And in 16d after clan, “group docked” is grou, with rent as the anagrind to give clan-gour.

    I couldn’t see and hidden subtlety in 9ac, either, and the “crossed off eight answers” in 17ac is still eluding me!

  3. pat says:

    Thanks for the illumination on 9ac, Eileen.

    Might “crossed off eight answers here” in 17ac have anything to do with 5d, BACK SEAT DRIVERS, which has eight crossing letters? To devil is to pester or annoy, which is precisely what they do, though the past tense puts me off. Maybe I’ve been on the sauce too early . . .

  4. Paul B says:

    Rent as in rent asunder, E.

  5. Eileen says:

    Yes, that’s what I meant. [I don’t know why I put the question mark.]

  6. pat says:

    The penny has finally dropped for 17ac. “Crossed off eight answers here” is DE-VILLE-D, and, sure enough, there are eight French towns named as answers in the grid: Tours, Lens, Condom, Orange, Nancy, Nice, Dole and Ales.

    Hats off to Morph!

  7. Wil Ransome says:

    I thought this was incredibly difficult and took five times as long on it (using all the aids and without even finishing since 8dn defeated me) as I did on today’s Times.

    10ac: CON is at the beginning; where is the indication that this is so, since it comes after (mod)rev.? Is it ‘prominent’? If so, I don’t like it.
    13ac: I liked this use of ‘wanting': so often one sees it meaning ‘requiring the solver to insert xxx here’, which is in my opinion unsatisfactory.
    17ac: How is a devil a seasoned fellow?
    20ac: Is ‘letting’ really = ‘rental sector’? Doubtful, in my opinion.

  8. NealH says:

    17ac The definition is seasoned e.g. devilled eggs. The subsidiary is “Fellow went first” = devil led. I’m not entirely sure why a devil is a fellow, however.

    10ac Prominent can mean “leading”, so I think this is acceptable.

  9. Turner says:

    Eight French towns crossed off – de-villed! Well done, pat. I’d never have spotted that in a month of Sundays.

  10. Paul B says:

    This might apply to anyone, but I’d really love to know more about why or how Wil Ransome finds things ‘unsatisfactory’.

    If it’s just his opinion and nothing more, he should say so – that would be fine. We could then respond by saying, ‘in our opinion it is not’, for example. Or agree with him, as sometimes I do. But if there’s a reason – perhaps to do with grammar, or with some subtlety of a particular cryptic reading – then perhaps he should give it, rather than simply state without an explanation that in his view something is ‘unsatisfactory’. That is of itself – in my opinion – most unsatisfactory. More so than his occasional misreading of clues as demonstrated above (odd for a blogger, but no-one’s perfect).

  11. Allan_C says:

    9a: “The northern” for ‘T’ (as in “put wood in t’hole” for “shut the door”) used to crop up in clues quite regularly, then I suppose it got too well known and dropped out of use. First time I’ve come across it for ages.

  12. Wil Ransome says:

    Paul B: I didn’t say “which is unsatisfactory”, I said “which is in my opinion unsatisfactory”. You write “If it’s just his opinion and nothing more, he should say so — that would be fine”. So how have I transgressed?

    Yes of course I made a silly mistake with the devilled fellow.

  13. GWEP says:

    You’re a lucky devil = fellow.

  14. NealH says:

    I thought of that, but wasn’t completely convinced. I don’t see why the devil in that usage would be specifically male, although I suppose the Devil normally is depicted as male.

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