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		<title>By: Derek Lazenby</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2009/05/08/guardian-24694-orlando/#comment-86212</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek Lazenby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 15:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[HAH! It would seem even that can&#039;t be agreed on. I was just doing a more general web search. &quot;Bubble gum&quot; is also used!

I give up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HAH! It would seem even that can&#8217;t be agreed on. I was just doing a more general web search. &#8220;Bubble gum&#8221; is also used!</p>
<p>I give up.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Lazenby</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2009/05/08/guardian-24694-orlando/#comment-86208</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek Lazenby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 14:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Barnaby, yes of course, I quite agree, but in the case of bubble/chewing-gum (and others)that isn&#039;t the point.

Many modernisers claim to want to simplify the language. This is bunkum. What they mean is they don&#039;t know what is correct and are too idle to find out, so they make arbitrary changes with no regard to the consequences.

Thus it used to be simple. It used to be seriously simple. There was only one way of saying it, you took &quot;gum&quot; and prefixed &quot;type of gum -&quot;. Now, the modernisers tell us that having two rules is simpler than having one rule! One rule applies to clashing letters, the other rule applies to the rest.

So, increasing the number of rules to handle what should have been identical constructs, thereby introducing spurious differences, is simpler is it?

That&#039;s the point.

If bubble-gum had always been bubblegum then no sweat, but it wasn&#039;t, and this is a poor change.

Obviously some hyphens can be dropped harmlessly as the language develops, but care must be taken, rather more care than some who should know better seem willing to take. (He said, carefully not naming a certain company as requested, grin!)

OK, I admit it, I worry about the dear old hyphen in the same way that others champion the dear old apostrophe. Somebody has to!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barnaby, yes of course, I quite agree, but in the case of bubble/chewing-gum (and others)that isn&#8217;t the point.</p>
<p>Many modernisers claim to want to simplify the language. This is bunkum. What they mean is they don&#8217;t know what is correct and are too idle to find out, so they make arbitrary changes with no regard to the consequences.</p>
<p>Thus it used to be simple. It used to be seriously simple. There was only one way of saying it, you took &#8220;gum&#8221; and prefixed &#8220;type of gum -&#8221;. Now, the modernisers tell us that having two rules is simpler than having one rule! One rule applies to clashing letters, the other rule applies to the rest.</p>
<p>So, increasing the number of rules to handle what should have been identical constructs, thereby introducing spurious differences, is simpler is it?</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the point.</p>
<p>If bubble-gum had always been bubblegum then no sweat, but it wasn&#8217;t, and this is a poor change.</p>
<p>Obviously some hyphens can be dropped harmlessly as the language develops, but care must be taken, rather more care than some who should know better seem willing to take. (He said, carefully not naming a certain company as requested, grin!)</p>
<p>OK, I admit it, I worry about the dear old hyphen in the same way that others champion the dear old apostrophe. Somebody has to!</p>
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		<title>By: Chunter</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2009/05/08/guardian-24694-orlando/#comment-86194</link>
		<dc:creator>Chunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 13:07:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry Barnaby for misspelling/mis-spelling your name.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Barnaby for misspelling/mis-spelling your name.</p>
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		<title>By: Chunter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 12:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Baranaby: Discussions of hyphenation often use the nonce word (nonce-word?) &#039;subbookkeeper&#039; as an example.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baranaby: Discussions of hyphenation often use the nonce word (nonce-word?) &#8216;subbookkeeper&#8217; as an example.</p>
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		<title>By: Barnaby Page</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barnaby Page</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 12:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Derek - re 14down - hyphenating to separate repeated letters is fairly common, isn&#039;t it? E.g. shell-like but lifelike.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Derek &#8211; re 14down &#8211; hyphenating to separate repeated letters is fairly common, isn&#8217;t it? E.g. shell-like but lifelike.</p>
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		<title>By: stiofain</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2009/05/08/guardian-24694-orlando/#comment-85986</link>
		<dc:creator>stiofain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 18:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I thought this was an absolutely brilliant puzzle and the most enjoyable in ages GOBI was hilarious and the bights use totally ingenious.
Well done Orlando.
Stiofain]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought this was an absolutely brilliant puzzle and the most enjoyable in ages GOBI was hilarious and the bights use totally ingenious.<br />
Well done Orlando.<br />
Stiofain</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Hutton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Hutton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 15:12:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for that Steady Stu. I knew I couldn&#039;t be right there but I couldn&#039;t see it at all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for that Steady Stu. I knew I couldn&#8217;t be right there but I couldn&#8217;t see it at all.</p>
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		<title>By: steadystu</title>
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		<dc:creator>steadystu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 13:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re post 14. overpower is not being used as a definition of cube in this clue, it is being used as a definition of the answer, &quot;master&quot;. cube=POWER &amp; past=OVER. Pedantic I know, but that&#039;s why we&#039;re all here...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re post 14. overpower is not being used as a definition of cube in this clue, it is being used as a definition of the answer, &#8220;master&#8221;. cube=POWER &amp; past=OVER. Pedantic I know, but that&#8217;s why we&#8217;re all here&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Lazenby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek Lazenby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 13:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I see that bubble-gum has been &quot;modernised&quot; to a single word. My trusty old dictionary, printed in days when people knew the rules, has the hyphen.

Just to illustrate how dumb modern usage has become, the on-line dictionary, Wictionary gives bubblegum not bubble-gum, but then gives chewing-gum but not chewinggum. Such nonsensical inconsistency should be avoided surely?

Loved BARQUES, that definitely raised a smile.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see that bubble-gum has been &#8220;modernised&#8221; to a single word. My trusty old dictionary, printed in days when people knew the rules, has the hyphen.</p>
<p>Just to illustrate how dumb modern usage has become, the on-line dictionary, Wictionary gives bubblegum not bubble-gum, but then gives chewing-gum but not chewinggum. Such nonsensical inconsistency should be avoided surely?</p>
<p>Loved BARQUES, that definitely raised a smile.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Hutton</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2009/05/08/guardian-24694-orlando/#comment-85939</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Hutton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 12:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I thought overpower as a definition of cube was stretching it a bit even with a question mark. 

Come to that, what is the question mark doing in 25ac. I thought a question mark was supposed to indicate a slightly off centre definition like 1ac. The definition is perfectly correct here so is it because the setter thought this was a rather dubious clue. (Well done mhl for the explanation which eluded me.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought overpower as a definition of cube was stretching it a bit even with a question mark. </p>
<p>Come to that, what is the question mark doing in 25ac. I thought a question mark was supposed to indicate a slightly off centre definition like 1ac. The definition is perfectly correct here so is it because the setter thought this was a rather dubious clue. (Well done mhl for the explanation which eluded me.)</p>
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