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		<title>By: Paul B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 11:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Though you would get that sort of thing in an Enigmatist puzzle, methinks. Can&#039;t remember for the life of me what the context was, but we had NONEWS clued as &#039;Good news - (rest of clue)&#039; in one puzzle. 

What would &#039;cat-killer&#039; be? Hmm, hmm, I&#039;d certainly like to know.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Though you would get that sort of thing in an Enigmatist puzzle, methinks. Can&#8217;t remember for the life of me what the context was, but we had NONEWS clued as &#8216;Good news &#8211; (rest of clue)&#8217; in one puzzle. </p>
<p>What would &#8216;cat-killer&#8217; be? Hmm, hmm, I&#8217;d certainly like to know.</p>
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		<title>By: jvh</title>
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		<dc:creator>jvh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 17:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for all the later help with &quot;time is the enemy&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for all the later help with &#8220;time is the enemy&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Eileen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eileen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 09:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, all, for those latest contributions. It&#039;s a pity, after the discussion, that very few people are likely to see them! 

It&#039;s just occurred to me how often we say, &#039;Time is not on our side.&#039; :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, all, for those latest contributions. It&#8217;s a pity, after the discussion, that very few people are likely to see them! </p>
<p>It&#8217;s just occurred to me how often we say, &#8216;Time is not on our side.&#8217; <img src='http://www.fifteensquared.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: mhl</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 09:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the post on this very tough crossword, Eileen.  The rhyme from &quot;Salad Days&quot; made me laugh&#160;:)

Arfanarf just beat me to reposting my similar &lt;a href=&quot;http://fifteensquared.net/2008/11/06/guardian-24539araucaria/#comment-52978&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;previous comments on &quot;time is the enemy&quot;&lt;/a&gt;. Time is identified as an enemy in several of Shakespeare&#039;s sonnets, but I&#039;m sure it&#039;s an association that people will have come up with over and over again in the past - I guess that the Brewer&#039;s definition of &quot;enemy&quot; is the soundest reference in terms of justifying the use in crosswords.  (I remember another commenter here telling me that there&#039;s a recent new edition of Brewer&#039;s, so I wonder if someone could check if that definition has anything more nowadays?  I don&#039;t have a copy, unfortunately.)

(This will be one of a number of very late posts - I&#039;m terribly behind on the daily crosswords now.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the post on this very tough crossword, Eileen.  The rhyme from &#8220;Salad Days&#8221; made me laugh&nbsp;:)</p>
<p>Arfanarf just beat me to reposting my similar <a href="http://fifteensquared.net/2008/11/06/guardian-24539araucaria/#comment-52978" rel="nofollow">previous comments on &#8220;time is the enemy&#8221;</a>. Time is identified as an enemy in several of Shakespeare&#8217;s sonnets, but I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;s an association that people will have come up with over and over again in the past &#8211; I guess that the Brewer&#8217;s definition of &#8220;enemy&#8221; is the soundest reference in terms of justifying the use in crosswords.  (I remember another commenter here telling me that there&#8217;s a recent new edition of Brewer&#8217;s, so I wonder if someone could check if that definition has anything more nowadays?  I don&#8217;t have a copy, unfortunately.)</p>
<p>(This will be one of a number of very late posts &#8211; I&#8217;m terribly behind on the daily crosswords now.)</p>
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		<title>By: C.G. Rishikesh</title>
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		<dc:creator>C.G. Rishikesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 08:18:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another forum, another crossword.

The clue was: Find how long the dance might be (7)

Responding to a query from someone, I responded: 

Quote

One of the meanings of &#039;measure&#039; is dance. 

In Shakespeare&#039;s &lt;i&gt;R and J&lt;/i&gt;, we have:

&lt;i&gt;But, let them measure us by what they will,
We will measure them a measure...&lt;/i&gt;

where the word is used in different senses including dance. 

Unquote]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another forum, another crossword.</p>
<p>The clue was: Find how long the dance might be (7)</p>
<p>Responding to a query from someone, I responded: </p>
<p>Quote</p>
<p>One of the meanings of &#8216;measure&#8217; is dance. </p>
<p>In Shakespeare&#8217;s <i>R and J</i>, we have:</p>
<p><i>But, let them measure us by what they will,<br />
We will measure them a measure&#8230;</i></p>
<p>where the word is used in different senses including dance. </p>
<p>Unquote</p>
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		<title>By: Arfanarf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arfanarf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 08:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some googling found this:

IDIOM:  „How goes the enemy?  (What says the enemy?)‘ 

EXPLANATION: What o’clock is it? Time is the enemy of man, especially of those who are behind time. Origin: derived from a theatre play: „The Dramatist“ (1789), written by Frederick Reynolds. It almost immediately became a (usually somewhat facetious) catchphrase and it has remained one, although it hasn&#039;t been much used since 1939. It was used occasionaly in past (1863-1952). 

SOURCE (The Dramatist): ... „[Ennui the Timekiller:] I&#039;ve an idea I don&#039;t like the Lady Waitfor&#039;t - she wishes to trick me out of my match with Miss Coutney, and if I could trick her in return - (_takes out his watch_). How goes the enemy - only one o&#039;clock! I thought it had been that an hour ago.“]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some googling found this:</p>
<p>IDIOM:  „How goes the enemy?  (What says the enemy?)‘ </p>
<p>EXPLANATION: What o’clock is it? Time is the enemy of man, especially of those who are behind time. Origin: derived from a theatre play: „The Dramatist“ (1789), written by Frederick Reynolds. It almost immediately became a (usually somewhat facetious) catchphrase and it has remained one, although it hasn&#8217;t been much used since 1939. It was used occasionaly in past (1863-1952). </p>
<p>SOURCE (The Dramatist): &#8230; „[Ennui the Timekiller:] I&#8217;ve an idea I don&#8217;t like the Lady Waitfor&#8217;t &#8211; she wishes to trick me out of my match with Miss Coutney, and if I could trick her in return &#8211; (_takes out his watch_). How goes the enemy &#8211; only one o&#8217;clock! I thought it had been that an hour ago.“</p>
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		<title>By: Sil van den Hoek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sil van den Hoek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 22:20:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Eileen,

I never heard of the Lyric Theatre (and it didn&#039;t ring a bell for my &#039;partner in crime&#039;), but I&#039;ve been to a Shaftesbury Avenue theatre (to see Spamalot).

So, &#039;measure for measure&#039; is a kind of &#039;step by step&#039;?

Goodnight - [didn&#039;t have to Google]

Welterusten]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Eileen,</p>
<p>I never heard of the Lyric Theatre (and it didn&#8217;t ring a bell for my &#8216;partner in crime&#8217;), but I&#8217;ve been to a Shaftesbury Avenue theatre (to see Spamalot).</p>
<p>So, &#8216;measure for measure&#8217; is a kind of &#8216;step by step&#8217;?</p>
<p>Goodnight &#8211; [didn't have to Google]</p>
<p>Welterusten</p>
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		<title>By: Eileen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eileen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 22:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi again, Sil - and your &#039;partner in crime&#039;

To be fair, I think the Lyric Theatre is reasonably well known.

Re &#039;measure&#039;: oh dear, this is another thing I remember from the dim and distant past: a song &#039;Come and dance a country measure&#039;: [why do these things stick, at the expense of more important recent things?]

And yes, all things considered, a very good crossword!

Goedenacht - [I googled] :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi again, Sil &#8211; and your &#8216;partner in crime&#8217;</p>
<p>To be fair, I think the Lyric Theatre is reasonably well known.</p>
<p>Re &#8216;measure&#8217;: oh dear, this is another thing I remember from the dim and distant past: a song &#8216;Come and dance a country measure&#8217;: [why do these things stick, at the expense of more important recent things?]</p>
<p>And yes, all things considered, a very good crossword!</p>
<p>Goedenacht &#8211; [I googled] <img src='http://www.fifteensquared.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Sil van den Hoek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sil van den Hoek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 21:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Eileen,

And I was hoping you would reply to my post, since you are very interested in language related topics. 

Re 3dn: having read your explanation, I agree, this a brilliant clue (but do all the other solvers know about the Lyric Theatre, I guess not)

Re 7dn: I didn&#039;t know that a measure is a dance, but you surely will forgive me. 
Never too late to learn something new.

Re 6dn: glad you didn&#039;t like it either, but in the end still a very good crossword 
(we thought).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Eileen,</p>
<p>And I was hoping you would reply to my post, since you are very interested in language related topics. </p>
<p>Re 3dn: having read your explanation, I agree, this a brilliant clue (but do all the other solvers know about the Lyric Theatre, I guess not)</p>
<p>Re 7dn: I didn&#8217;t know that a measure is a dance, but you surely will forgive me.<br />
Never too late to learn something new.</p>
<p>Re 6dn: glad you didn&#8217;t like it either, but in the end still a very good crossword<br />
(we thought).</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 21:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi 

7dn clearly hasn&#039;t gone down very well. I was quite pleased - this clue was one of the few times that my stats training has proved useful. The term ANOVA is the way &#039;analysis of variance&#039; is usually abbreviated when calling up the procedure in a stats software package. So I guess pretty obscure to most people.  

I thought &#039;boss&#039; was a bit of a stretch for &#039;excellent&#039; though.

And I agree that the construction of 6dn felt a little awkward.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi </p>
<p>7dn clearly hasn&#8217;t gone down very well. I was quite pleased &#8211; this clue was one of the few times that my stats training has proved useful. The term ANOVA is the way &#8216;analysis of variance&#8217; is usually abbreviated when calling up the procedure in a stats software package. So I guess pretty obscure to most people.  </p>
<p>I thought &#8216;boss&#8217; was a bit of a stretch for &#8216;excellent&#8217; though.</p>
<p>And I agree that the construction of 6dn felt a little awkward.</p>
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