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		<title>By: Derek Lazenby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek Lazenby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 15:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Paul B, best not go there, we&#039;d get off topic discussing contexts. There are specific contexts where one can start from a singular noun and end up with a plural, or apparent plural, but none of those apply to the word stone, Romans yes, stone no.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul B, best not go there, we&#8217;d get off topic discussing contexts. There are specific contexts where one can start from a singular noun and end up with a plural, or apparent plural, but none of those apply to the word stone, Romans yes, stone no.</p>
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		<title>By: walruss</title>
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		<dc:creator>walruss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 12:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The latter I would guess. RM stands for Royal Marines, so &#039;a fighting force&#039; equals A RM.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The latter I would guess. RM stands for Royal Marines, so &#8216;a fighting force&#8217; equals A RM.</p>
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		<title>By: Big Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 10:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was a bit behind doing this one, but was surprised that no-one had commented on the fighting force in 22a [Like type of delivery from above reaching a fighting force (7)].

I took this as ARM, as in a branch of the fighting forces (&lt;i&gt;Chambers&lt;/i&gt;), rather than A + RM.  I wonder which was intended.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was a bit behind doing this one, but was surprised that no-one had commented on the fighting force in 22a [Like type of delivery from above reaching a fighting force (7)].</p>
<p>I took this as ARM, as in a branch of the fighting forces (<i>Chambers</i>), rather than A + RM.  I wonder which was intended.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 18:09:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Conspicuous through absence for sure, normally I do moan about anagrams (often the least work-intensive clue-type to generate) for recondite entries, and had I not been so wonderfully and unexpectedly busy doing other things, up would I have piped far sooner.

M&#039;colleague Anax disagrees I know, and &#039;speck to him for it, but I am against anagrams for hard words in daily puzzles because, even though solvers may be in possession of all the required letters, and even all the crossing letters, unless the word is actually within their vocab they will have absolutely no idea where these go in sequence, and will have to guess (unacceptable) or leave the light unfilled. This to me seems most unprofessional, and I am deeply, deeply shocked.

If Deano could email me - after malfunction in &#039;puter I have lost your details, mate.

As for ITE shall I go there? How many Romans?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Conspicuous through absence for sure, normally I do moan about anagrams (often the least work-intensive clue-type to generate) for recondite entries, and had I not been so wonderfully and unexpectedly busy doing other things, up would I have piped far sooner.</p>
<p>M&#8217;colleague Anax disagrees I know, and &#8216;speck to him for it, but I am against anagrams for hard words in daily puzzles because, even though solvers may be in possession of all the required letters, and even all the crossing letters, unless the word is actually within their vocab they will have absolutely no idea where these go in sequence, and will have to guess (unacceptable) or leave the light unfilled. This to me seems most unprofessional, and I am deeply, deeply shocked.</p>
<p>If Deano could email me &#8211; after malfunction in &#8216;puter I have lost your details, mate.</p>
<p>As for ITE shall I go there? How many Romans?</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Yap</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uncle Yap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 14:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Many years ago when my children were still young, they used to sing
&quot;There&#039;s a little ditty they&#039;re singin&#039; in the city
Especially when they&#039;ve been on the gin or the beer
If you&#039;ve got the patience your own imaginations will tell you just exactly what you want to hear
Oom pah pah, oom pah pah, that&#039;s how it goes
Oom pah pah, oom pah pah, everyone knows
And they all suppose what they want to suppose when they hear oom pah pah&quot;

I think this is from Oliver and I learned a new word - &quot;ditty&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many years ago when my children were still young, they used to sing<br />
&#8220;There&#8217;s a little ditty they&#8217;re singin&#8217; in the city<br />
Especially when they&#8217;ve been on the gin or the beer<br />
If you&#8217;ve got the patience your own imaginations will tell you just exactly what you want to hear<br />
Oom pah pah, oom pah pah, that&#8217;s how it goes<br />
Oom pah pah, oom pah pah, everyone knows<br />
And they all suppose what they want to suppose when they hear oom pah pah&#8221;</p>
<p>I think this is from Oliver and I learned a new word &#8211; &#8220;ditty&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Eileen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eileen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 12:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry, Sil - I didn&#039;t see your latest post!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, Sil &#8211; I didn&#8217;t see your latest post!</p>
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		<title>By: Eileen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eileen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 12:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Sil, at 17 and 24 - better late than never!

8dn: &#039;completely&#039; is justified, I think, because we have to leave only the first and last letters. &#039;Heartless&#039; in clues often means take out only the middle letter.

24ac: &#039;light&#039; [third meaning in Chambers]. I&#039;ve seen this several times before in crosswords but it&#039;s more usually &#039;alight&#039;, &#039;in common parlance&#039; :-) [which is how that word is usually used, I think, but not too often, I grant you].

15dn: I have in my garden a beautiful chunk of serpentine which, thirty-odd years ago, we [possibly illegally] hauled all the way up the steps from Kynance Cove in Cornwall. I&#039;d call it a stone!

22dn: &#039;ditty&#039; isn&#039;t used that often but it&#039;s a rather charming word for a simple poem, sometimes used self-effacingly, of one&#039;s own work.

23dn: again, I think MIT is fairly usual in crosswords.

I&#039;m really sorry you found this &#039;too serious&#039; and were like Queen Victoria in Benington&#039;s comment on 16dn - I thought it was great fun!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sil, at 17 and 24 &#8211; better late than never!</p>
<p>8dn: &#8216;completely&#8217; is justified, I think, because we have to leave only the first and last letters. &#8216;Heartless&#8217; in clues often means take out only the middle letter.</p>
<p>24ac: &#8216;light&#8217; [third meaning in Chambers]. I&#8217;ve seen this several times before in crosswords but it&#8217;s more usually &#8216;alight&#8217;, &#8216;in common parlance&#8217; <img src='http://www.fifteensquared.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  [which is how that word is usually used, I think, but not too often, I grant you].</p>
<p>15dn: I have in my garden a beautiful chunk of serpentine which, thirty-odd years ago, we [possibly illegally] hauled all the way up the steps from Kynance Cove in Cornwall. I&#8217;d call it a stone!</p>
<p>22dn: &#8216;ditty&#8217; isn&#8217;t used that often but it&#8217;s a rather charming word for a simple poem, sometimes used self-effacingly, of one&#8217;s own work.</p>
<p>23dn: again, I think MIT is fairly usual in crosswords.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m really sorry you found this &#8216;too serious&#8217; and were like Queen Victoria in Benington&#8217;s comment on 16dn &#8211; I thought it was great fun!</p>
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		<title>By: Sil van den Hoek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sil van den Hoek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 12:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re everything above after #17:

I ended #17 with &#039;I still have a lot to learn&#039;.
So far I thought I could do well at Guardian crosswords, but this one was, at least for me, two or three steps too far.
It made me aware of the fact that there is much more to the English language than I have experienced thusfar.

I don&#039;t blame the setter for that at all (nothing really unfair about the crossword).
Although I still think that he sometimes made rather unusual choices that made the crossword hard to solve for the average.
For instance, &#039;stars&#039; for &#039;ram&#039;, &#039;land&#039; for &#039;light&#039;, or in 10ac, &#039;for&#039; into &#039;dance&#039; for &#039;pp&#039; into &#039;hay&#039;, all of which is not the first thing one thinks of.  Of course, when G would have been clear to us, the situation would have been very different. 
But that&#039;s part of the game, isn&#039;t it?

BTW, I do understand the setter&#039;s two-letter GS dilemma and his choice - the breakdown is rather nice, as I already said in #17.

This crossword was just too British for me. 
Can happen.
Over and out (as said in #28). :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re everything above after #17:</p>
<p>I ended #17 with &#8216;I still have a lot to learn&#8217;.<br />
So far I thought I could do well at Guardian crosswords, but this one was, at least for me, two or three steps too far.<br />
It made me aware of the fact that there is much more to the English language than I have experienced thusfar.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t blame the setter for that at all (nothing really unfair about the crossword).<br />
Although I still think that he sometimes made rather unusual choices that made the crossword hard to solve for the average.<br />
For instance, &#8216;stars&#8217; for &#8216;ram&#8217;, &#8216;land&#8217; for &#8216;light&#8217;, or in 10ac, &#8216;for&#8217; into &#8216;dance&#8217; for &#8216;pp&#8217; into &#8216;hay&#8217;, all of which is not the first thing one thinks of.  Of course, when G would have been clear to us, the situation would have been very different.<br />
But that&#8217;s part of the game, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>BTW, I do understand the setter&#8217;s two-letter GS dilemma and his choice &#8211; the breakdown is rather nice, as I already said in #17.</p>
<p>This crossword was just too British for me.<br />
Can happen.<br />
Over and out (as said in #28). <img src='http://www.fifteensquared.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Benington</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 10:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[re 24:

20a: The constellation of Aries is called the Ram so the use of singular is fine;

22a: OVERARM is a type of delivery (as is underarm) so ABOVE is the definition of OVER.

For the rest, they seem to bee complaints about words you have never heard of - a great difficulty in solving a crossword as I should know but not the fault of the setter!  Different people have different knowledge of words, that&#039;s all.

p.s. 16d : There is a clue in &quot;Nothing to amuse us&quot; to Gladstone as the &quot;We are not amused&quot; remark by Queen Victoria was allegedly made to Gladstone.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re 24:</p>
<p>20a: The constellation of Aries is called the Ram so the use of singular is fine;</p>
<p>22a: OVERARM is a type of delivery (as is underarm) so ABOVE is the definition of OVER.</p>
<p>For the rest, they seem to bee complaints about words you have never heard of &#8211; a great difficulty in solving a crossword as I should know but not the fault of the setter!  Different people have different knowledge of words, that&#8217;s all.</p>
<p>p.s. 16d : There is a clue in &#8220;Nothing to amuse us&#8221; to Gladstone as the &#8220;We are not amused&#8221; remark by Queen Victoria was allegedly made to Gladstone.</p>
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		<title>By: walruss</title>
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		<dc:creator>walruss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 09:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well Derek, I agree with you about the anagrams of difficult words! You, well I mean one, just can&#039;t solve them, so it&#039;s bad news.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Derek, I agree with you about the anagrams of difficult words! You, well I mean one, just can&#8217;t solve them, so it&#8217;s bad news.</p>
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