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		<title>By: Mister Sting</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2010/01/12/guardian-24905-araucaria/#comment-100352</link>
		<dc:creator>Mister Sting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Macca
Obbligato does not simply mean obligatory although, confusingly, it can mean that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obbligato]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Macca<br />
Obbligato does not simply mean obligatory although, confusingly, it can mean that.<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obbligato" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obbligato</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 08:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As an expat Scot (25 years in South Africa, now in NZ) I recall that in the late 60s and early 70s I had a number of teeth grinding hours (sometimes days if I did not peek at the published solutions) with Araucaria&#039;s puzzles.
Have been doing the online puzzles for the past 2 years and I still get the teeth grinding.
While I enjoy the puzzles, I must agree with those who feel that &quot;The Master&quot; gets away with murder sometimes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an expat Scot (25 years in South Africa, now in NZ) I recall that in the late 60s and early 70s I had a number of teeth grinding hours (sometimes days if I did not peek at the published solutions) with Araucaria&#8217;s puzzles.<br />
Have been doing the online puzzles for the past 2 years and I still get the teeth grinding.<br />
While I enjoy the puzzles, I must agree with those who feel that &#8220;The Master&#8221; gets away with murder sometimes.</p>
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		<title>By: Macca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Macca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 04:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In 23ac, can someone explain why this is even considered a &#039;cryptic&#039; definition ? It seems pretty straight.

Thanks Sil for pointing out the latitude that this setter has more than others. 

For someone south of the equator, the Gallicisms and English towns make for a tough slog.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In 23ac, can someone explain why this is even considered a &#8216;cryptic&#8217; definition ? It seems pretty straight.</p>
<p>Thanks Sil for pointing out the latitude that this setter has more than others. </p>
<p>For someone south of the equator, the Gallicisms and English towns make for a tough slog.</p>
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		<title>By: Sil van den Hoek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sil van den Hoek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 22:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Tom_I, for that.
I really didn&#039;t know it (I wonder, did everyone else, at this site?).
But it&#039;s clear now, and OK.

[BTW, I do enjoy a bit of Gordius myself, but - I&#039;m sorry - not too many bits of Rover. Having said that, some days ago, there was a late post at Bonxie&#039;s puzzle (# 29) that expressed a lot of my feelings about crosswords: first there&#039;s the overall Joy, than there&#039;s The Theory. And I liked that, I liked that, I li-i-iked that, etc (courtesy to Status Quo)]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Tom_I, for that.<br />
I really didn&#8217;t know it (I wonder, did everyone else, at this site?).<br />
But it&#8217;s clear now, and OK.</p>
<p>[BTW, I do enjoy a bit of Gordius myself, but - I'm sorry - not too many bits of Rover. Having said that, some days ago, there was a late post at Bonxie's puzzle (# 29) that expressed a lot of my feelings about crosswords: first there's the overall Joy, than there's The Theory. And I liked that, I liked that, I li-i-iked that, etc (courtesy to Status Quo)]</p>
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		<title>By: Tom_I</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom_I</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sil, I do agree with you, and have commented about it myself, that some setters seem to be allowed the odd loose clue or inaccuracy, while others (and you have mentioned Gordius and Rover, both of whose puzzles I usually enjoy) are regularly criticised for the slightest lapse. It does seem a bit unfair, I agree.

Back to the puzzle. In 22d &quot;entrance money&quot; equates to &quot;gate&quot; exactly. At a sporting event the gate is both the total number of people who have paid to attend, and the total amount of money taken in entrance fees (also &quot;gate-money&quot;).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sil, I do agree with you, and have commented about it myself, that some setters seem to be allowed the odd loose clue or inaccuracy, while others (and you have mentioned Gordius and Rover, both of whose puzzles I usually enjoy) are regularly criticised for the slightest lapse. It does seem a bit unfair, I agree.</p>
<p>Back to the puzzle. In 22d &#8220;entrance money&#8221; equates to &#8220;gate&#8221; exactly. At a sporting event the gate is both the total number of people who have paid to attend, and the total amount of money taken in entrance fees (also &#8220;gate-money&#8221;).</p>
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		<title>By: nmsindy</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Did not do the puzzle, but re 12 and 13 above, his surname did have two parts, with his first name being Valéry, I think.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did not do the puzzle, but re 12 and 13 above, his surname did have two parts, with his first name being Valéry, I think.</p>
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		<title>By: Sil van den Hoek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sil van den Hoek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 20:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We did like this Araucaria, but deep inside I have a feeling that it is not just because the crossword is rather good, but even more because it is a real challenge to get into Araucaria&#039;s mind. And I must say that His mind&#039;s not always completely fair.

I am not sure if, to name a few, Gordius or Rover would have been appreciated for 1ac (GISCARD), which as benington (#12) pointed out, is just not right for &#039;French politician&#039;. No one would accept &#039;Vaughan&#039; if the definition were &#039;English composer&#039;.
And talking about definitions, I know it&#039;s Cryptic Land, and I smiled seeing &#039;Moony&#039; as a definition in 9ac, but strictly speaking this not right either. 
&#039;Moony&#039; is not synonymous to LUNAR - &quot;He sat in lunar silence&quot;?

In Bonxie&#039;s puzzle last week, some posts were crying out loud: 
&quot;What is that &#039;of&#039; doing here?&quot;. Rightly so, but what is that &#039;of the&#039; doing there in 14ac (HAWARDEN) other than making it a better surface?  
&#039;Fruit of the forest&#039; would have been ARDEN-HAW, in my opinion.

And although it is defendable when you think about it very deeply, the order of the words in 25ac (ABYSMAL) is very questionnable (&#039;baby small&#039; instead of &#039;small baby&#039;?). The same for the clue of 19d, &#039;Missing with cast&#039; = &#039;cast missing w(ith)&#039;?
Don&#039;t get me wrong, I do understand all this, but it is not extremely precise, or is it?

Two of the theme clues (11ac and 22d) I still don&#039;t get or like so far. I find 11ac still a bit loose, with references all over the place, and in in 23d I don&#039;t see why &#039;money&#039; is there. Maybe someone can explain this to me?

Even so, as I said, we liked it.
Best clue perhaps, in our opinion, 17ac (wrong-footing and an example of one of Araucaria&#039;s specialities: &#039;I&#039;m inside&#039; for PRISONER, putting it in the &#039;first person&#039;).
But sometimes I think it is not fair that Araucaria gets away with things (at this site) while some other setters would have been heavily criticised.


PS, dear cholecyst (#5), is it really necessary to remind of that - at least, for me -  torturous Pasquale GS crossword .......?   :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We did like this Araucaria, but deep inside I have a feeling that it is not just because the crossword is rather good, but even more because it is a real challenge to get into Araucaria&#8217;s mind. And I must say that His mind&#8217;s not always completely fair.</p>
<p>I am not sure if, to name a few, Gordius or Rover would have been appreciated for 1ac (GISCARD), which as benington (#12) pointed out, is just not right for &#8216;French politician&#8217;. No one would accept &#8216;Vaughan&#8217; if the definition were &#8216;English composer&#8217;.<br />
And talking about definitions, I know it&#8217;s Cryptic Land, and I smiled seeing &#8216;Moony&#8217; as a definition in 9ac, but strictly speaking this not right either.<br />
&#8216;Moony&#8217; is not synonymous to LUNAR &#8211; &#8220;He sat in lunar silence&#8221;?</p>
<p>In Bonxie&#8217;s puzzle last week, some posts were crying out loud:<br />
&#8220;What is that &#8216;of&#8217; doing here?&#8221;. Rightly so, but what is that &#8216;of the&#8217; doing there in 14ac (HAWARDEN) other than making it a better surface?<br />
&#8216;Fruit of the forest&#8217; would have been ARDEN-HAW, in my opinion.</p>
<p>And although it is defendable when you think about it very deeply, the order of the words in 25ac (ABYSMAL) is very questionnable (&#8216;baby small&#8217; instead of &#8216;small baby&#8217;?). The same for the clue of 19d, &#8216;Missing with cast&#8217; = &#8216;cast missing w(ith)&#8217;?<br />
Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I do understand all this, but it is not extremely precise, or is it?</p>
<p>Two of the theme clues (11ac and 22d) I still don&#8217;t get or like so far. I find 11ac still a bit loose, with references all over the place, and in in 23d I don&#8217;t see why &#8216;money&#8217; is there. Maybe someone can explain this to me?</p>
<p>Even so, as I said, we liked it.<br />
Best clue perhaps, in our opinion, 17ac (wrong-footing and an example of one of Araucaria&#8217;s specialities: &#8216;I&#8217;m inside&#8217; for PRISONER, putting it in the &#8216;first person&#8217;).<br />
But sometimes I think it is not fair that Araucaria gets away with things (at this site) while some other setters would have been heavily criticised.</p>
<p>PS, dear cholecyst (#5), is it really necessary to remind of that &#8211; at least, for me &#8211;  torturous Pasquale GS crossword &#8230;&#8230;.?   <img src='http://www.fifteensquared.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: cholecyst</title>
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		<dc:creator>cholecyst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Toby - you must be a prodigy! ...&quot;As a new solver (less than a year old...&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Toby &#8211; you must be a prodigy! &#8230;&#8221;As a new solver (less than a year old&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Ellison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Ellison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 16:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Flint 14a was also in Treasure Island - a coincidence?]]></description>
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		<title>By: liz</title>
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		<dc:creator>liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 16:51:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Uncle Yap. TSOTSI was new to me, but gettable from the wordplay. I liked the definition in 17ac very much! HAWARDEN was the last one I got.

I would never have got the wordplay in 2dn! Also assumed that the horse was a &#039;bay&#039;...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Uncle Yap. TSOTSI was new to me, but gettable from the wordplay. I liked the definition in 17ac very much! HAWARDEN was the last one I got.</p>
<p>I would never have got the wordplay in 2dn! Also assumed that the horse was a &#8216;bay&#8217;&#8230;</p>
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