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		<title>By: rob c</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2010/05/10/guardian-25006-rufus/#comment-109137</link>
		<dc:creator>rob c</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2010 08:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[thanks for the blog eileen and thanks to rufus for creating something which to me is a beautiful work of art.

i suspect that the &#039;headteacher&#039; comment may be a parody of all setter criticism rather than a sincere view. either way it made me laugh out loud.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for the blog eileen and thanks to rufus for creating something which to me is a beautiful work of art.</p>
<p>i suspect that the &#8216;headteacher&#8217; comment may be a parody of all setter criticism rather than a sincere view. either way it made me laugh out loud.</p>
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		<title>By: Huw Powell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Huw Powell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 May 2010 06:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Martin @20, after coming to puzzles from the esteemed but tired, and now retired, setter Frank Lewis at The Nation (US), whose clues were often utter gibberish, I do enjoy a clue that &quot;seems&quot; to make literal sense on the surface.  Not a big deal for me, but nice to see it generally respected.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Martin @20, after coming to puzzles from the esteemed but tired, and now retired, setter Frank Lewis at The Nation (US), whose clues were often utter gibberish, I do enjoy a clue that &#8220;seems&#8221; to make literal sense on the surface.  Not a big deal for me, but nice to see it generally respected.</p>
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		<title>By: Huw Powell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Huw Powell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 May 2010 06:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the blog, Eileen.

I enjoyed all of the puzzle except for the four utterly unfair clues I did not get. (2, 4, and 22 d, 7 a)

Main comment: this was a horridly uncrossed puzzle, with only 7 first letters checked.  Ironically, when I finally tackled the empty SE corner, I filled in fairly fast, except for that utter cheat TIC-TAC.  Whatever that means.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the blog, Eileen.</p>
<p>I enjoyed all of the puzzle except for the four utterly unfair clues I did not get. (2, 4, and 22 d, 7 a)</p>
<p>Main comment: this was a horridly uncrossed puzzle, with only 7 first letters checked.  Ironically, when I finally tackled the empty SE corner, I filled in fairly fast, except for that utter cheat TIC-TAC.  Whatever that means.</p>
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		<title>By: Eileen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eileen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 13:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re absolutely right, of course, Roger: &#039;without a city wall&#039;. 

Glad you enjoyed it, anyway. :-)

Welcome to the site, Wirricow. You&#039;re quite right that we&#039;re a &#039;broad church&#039; but generally speaking, we manage to tolerate each other&#039;s preferences without too much rancour. :-) It just happens that these two setters seem to arouse more discussion than most - but, as Bill Taylor says, it&#039;s quite possible to admire both!

I hope we&#039;ll hear from you again.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re absolutely right, of course, Roger: &#8216;without a city wall&#8217;. </p>
<p>Glad you enjoyed it, anyway. <img src='http://www.fifteensquared.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Welcome to the site, Wirricow. You&#8217;re quite right that we&#8217;re a &#8216;broad church&#8217; but generally speaking, we manage to tolerate each other&#8217;s preferences without too much rancour. <img src='http://www.fifteensquared.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  It just happens that these two setters seem to arouse more discussion than most &#8211; but, as Bill Taylor says, it&#8217;s quite possible to admire both!</p>
<p>I hope we&#8217;ll hear from you again.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 13:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Eileen ~~  I expect that everyone is on to the next challenge by now, but wrt 2d, isn&#039;t Golgotha usually referred to as being outside the City ? 

In the clue&#039;s defence, I  suppose, from the Wikipedia entry it does seem to depend on which old Jerusalem you are talking about since the place expanded in &#039;olden&#039; times ~ whereupon it would have become &#039;inside&#039; !

Perhaps &#039;Station at old Jerusalem&#039; would cover it.

Just a thought, you know ...

However, like many others, I thoroughly enjoyed this Rufusmonday.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Eileen ~~  I expect that everyone is on to the next challenge by now, but wrt 2d, isn&#8217;t Golgotha usually referred to as being outside the City ? </p>
<p>In the clue&#8217;s defence, I  suppose, from the Wikipedia entry it does seem to depend on which old Jerusalem you are talking about since the place expanded in &#8216;olden&#8217; times ~ whereupon it would have become &#8216;inside&#8217; !</p>
<p>Perhaps &#8216;Station at old Jerusalem&#8217; would cover it.</p>
<p>Just a thought, you know &#8230;</p>
<p>However, like many others, I thoroughly enjoyed this Rufusmonday.</p>
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		<title>By: Wirricow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wirricow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 12:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am moved to post my first ever reply by the supercilious comment made by Headteacher #23.  I think to describe a crossword as  &#039;simplistic drivel&#039; because you happen to prefer another compilers style is offensive; especially as a glance at the other posts will show that Rufus has visited this blog.  Cryptic crosswords in all their splendent forms appeal to a &#039;broad church&#039; of solvers.  The more fiendish puzzles offer the opportunity to &#039;test your mettle&#039; but their purpose is surely not to bolster ones sense of intellectual superiority.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am moved to post my first ever reply by the supercilious comment made by Headteacher #23.  I think to describe a crossword as  &#8216;simplistic drivel&#8217; because you happen to prefer another compilers style is offensive; especially as a glance at the other posts will show that Rufus has visited this blog.  Cryptic crosswords in all their splendent forms appeal to a &#8216;broad church&#8217; of solvers.  The more fiendish puzzles offer the opportunity to &#8216;test your mettle&#8217; but their purpose is surely not to bolster ones sense of intellectual superiority.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Harris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 09:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Headteacher &quot;How anyone can prefer this simplistic drivel to the wit and craft of such as Araucaria is beyond me.&quot;

Well, try harder.

One of the joys of the Guardian crossword is the range of different setters, each with their own style. Personally, I find Rufus refreshingly straightforward, and I can generally breeze through his puzzles without difficulty. That doesn&#039;t mean I find them unenjoyable. They&#039;re perfect to start the week. Araucaria, on the other hand, I often find exasperatingly complex and obscure, and a bit of a chore. There are lots of setters inbetween, for example Paul and Brendan, whose wit and cleverness is very impressive.

However, it very much depends on what floats your boat. I accept that there are lots of Araucaria fans out there, who prefer his tricksy, more devious clueing. A range of setters means the crossword is more likely to cater for a broader mix of solvers, and this seems to be the case. Certainly, novice solvers would be much more likely to get started with a Rufus than an Araucaria, for example. Not everyone has been doing these crosswords for 20 years, and can get inside the mind of some of the harder setters.

Anyway, long may diversity and difference of opinions thrive.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Headteacher &#8220;How anyone can prefer this simplistic drivel to the wit and craft of such as Araucaria is beyond me.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, try harder.</p>
<p>One of the joys of the Guardian crossword is the range of different setters, each with their own style. Personally, I find Rufus refreshingly straightforward, and I can generally breeze through his puzzles without difficulty. That doesn&#8217;t mean I find them unenjoyable. They&#8217;re perfect to start the week. Araucaria, on the other hand, I often find exasperatingly complex and obscure, and a bit of a chore. There are lots of setters inbetween, for example Paul and Brendan, whose wit and cleverness is very impressive.</p>
<p>However, it very much depends on what floats your boat. I accept that there are lots of Araucaria fans out there, who prefer his tricksy, more devious clueing. A range of setters means the crossword is more likely to cater for a broader mix of solvers, and this seems to be the case. Certainly, novice solvers would be much more likely to get started with a Rufus than an Araucaria, for example. Not everyone has been doing these crosswords for 20 years, and can get inside the mind of some of the harder setters.</p>
<p>Anyway, long may diversity and difference of opinions thrive.</p>
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		<title>By: FumbleFingers</title>
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		<dc:creator>FumbleFingers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 05:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Der - Eileen - I think it was ME that said TIC-TAC was at the limits of my knowledge (obviously it isn&#039;t now!).

Truth to tell, it was my ex-father-in-law ex-bookie who used to say it. I personally would never set foot in a bookie&#039;s / buy a lottery ticket / go to the dogs, so I know little of their [subculture vernacular, whatever]. Maybe fifteensquared at large has more people with mis-spent youths than the average.

We all know our particular veranacular, and some of us know some other people&#039;s too, but obviously nobody knows everything that anyone might say - &quot;lexicographer of last resort&quot; is a nonsensical phrase.

RUFUS - if you ever see this - thank you VERY much for an excellent puzzle, and damn all those who find fault!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Der &#8211; Eileen &#8211; I think it was ME that said TIC-TAC was at the limits of my knowledge (obviously it isn&#8217;t now!).</p>
<p>Truth to tell, it was my ex-father-in-law ex-bookie who used to say it. I personally would never set foot in a bookie&#8217;s / buy a lottery ticket / go to the dogs, so I know little of their [subculture vernacular, whatever]. Maybe fifteensquared at large has more people with mis-spent youths than the average.</p>
<p>We all know our particular veranacular, and some of us know some other people&#8217;s too, but obviously nobody knows everything that anyone might say &#8211; &#8220;lexicographer of last resort&#8221; is a nonsensical phrase.</p>
<p>RUFUS &#8211; if you ever see this &#8211; thank you VERY much for an excellent puzzle, and damn all those who find fault!</p>
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		<title>By: Eileen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eileen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 May 2010 21:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Derek, I&#039;ve been looking to see who thought &#039;tic-tac&#039; was obscure and can&#039;t find anyone, so I think you must have misunderstood my comment in the blog: it was only that spelling I hadn&#039;t come across before.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Derek, I&#8217;ve been looking to see who thought &#8216;tic-tac&#8217; was obscure and can&#8217;t find anyone, so I think you must have misunderstood my comment in the blog: it was only that spelling I hadn&#8217;t come across before.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 May 2010 21:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, I don&#039;t think it&#039;s drivel either, Bill and Headteacher - it&#039;s quite well-crafted in its simple, and yes, often simplistic way;  but nor is it just a change of pace. It&#039;s another level, not just of challenge, but of artistry. These puzzles are best described as slight. That&#039;s why I put them with the Quiptic, which is where I think this level of puzzle belongs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s drivel either, Bill and Headteacher &#8211; it&#8217;s quite well-crafted in its simple, and yes, often simplistic way;  but nor is it just a change of pace. It&#8217;s another level, not just of challenge, but of artistry. These puzzles are best described as slight. That&#8217;s why I put them with the Quiptic, which is where I think this level of puzzle belongs.</p>
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