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Rover – Sad News

Posted by Admin on June 1st, 2010


Don Manley has posted on the Crossword Centre forum the sad news that Rover has died. His full text can be seen here.

26 Responses to “Rover – Sad News”

  1. croque says:

    “Three swans” is one of the answers (7) is a lovely example of what Rover had to offer. R.I.P.

  2. mike m says:

    Farewell Rover, and thanks for all the fun you gave us.

  3. Scarpia says:

    Sad news indeed.
    I have had a lot of pleasure and learnt a lot of new words form Rover’s puzzles over the years.
    He will be sadly missed.

  4. Nathan Jesurasingham says:

    I am saddened to hear this news.

    I regard myself as a medium-range solver and I found Mr Morgan’s puzzles were perfect for me.

    R.I.P. Rover. Although I never met you, I will miss you.

  5. Ian says:

    RIP Rover. Thanks for the many entertaining puzzles you offered.

  6. crosser says:

    I can only reiterate what Scarpia said. The crossword page will be the poorer now that Rover has gone.

  7. Jake says:

    Thats something I did not want to hear.

    My first ‘completed’ grid in the Guardian was a Rover puzzle, I believe in the summer of 08 on a Friday, I seem to remember 1ac being ‘radiator’ something hanging on walls, I can’t remember the entire clue, but remember several answers from that puzzle. I seemed always to be on his wavelength and found his style ‘my thing’.

    Well lets hope the Guardian crossword editor has a stock pile of more Rover’s to come!

    R.I.P – In the Lord’s hands.

  8. tupu says:

    Thanks Rover for a lot of fun. We are much poorer for your passing.

  9. flashling says:

    Not such a great Birthday present Don, always sad to see one of the setting crew go.

  10. Jim says:

    Very sad news indeed. Doing the crosswords you feel you get to know the setters – only as setters admittedly, but – they touch us solvers in a very real way I think.

    R.I.P. Rover, you will most definitely be missed.

  11. Pasquale says:

    I am pleased to see some positive appreciation of Rover on this site. My original message on the Crossword Centre message board elicited no response whatever, and there was a somewhat minimalist acknowledgement on the Guardian’s own Crossword Talk site. Rover was on the easy and straightforward side, but was generally fair and entertaining. He was also a good, decent man. Rover and his work deserve to be remembered with affection.

  12. Paul B says:

    It would be for people to respond (or not) as they see fit, Don. It might be frustrating, but you can’t force people to express themselves in a certain way!

  13. Quixote says:

    Quite so, but it’s sad that on one website we hear more about a blogger’s problems with British Gas than we do about a loyal setter who surely deserved a tiny mention. I think this says a whole lot (not entirely good) about certain blogs and the people who tend to dominate them. End of story. May Rover rest in peace.

  14. Gaufrid says:

    Hi Don
    I don’t wish this post to go off topic, ie a tribute to Rover, but I have to say that I agree with your sentiment. I used to visit the Crossword Centre’s Message Board daily but now the majority of posts/comments have nothing whatsoever to do with crosswords. Fortunately I made one of my occasional visits soon after you posted the sad news and was therefore able to add something here.

  15. jmac says:

    Rover was one of the setters whose accessible puzzles gave me a entry into this wonderful pastime. In a busy week, his gentle crosswords provided a few minutes of fun and relaxation. He seems to have attracted more than his fair share of detractors on this site of late (I am a relative newcomer here and don’t know if it was ever thus), but I feel that many remarks on his puzzles often said at least as much about the commentator as about his crosswords. He was somebody who gave me much pleasure over the years and I shall miss him.

  16. nmsindy says:

    As a long time contributor to both sites, 15sq and Crossword Centre (CC), I think it’s only fair to say that the structure is different in each. Here each blog is on a specific puzzle, whereas the threads on the CC will vary, but, with the odd exception, are usually related to crosswords in one way or another. Also, CC contributors’ main interest as far as puzzles are concerned is the Listener, I’d say, so many of its contributors may not have tackled Rover(RIP)in the Guardian.

  17. tupu says:

    Thanks jmac and admirably well put.

  18. walruss says:

    It looks to me as if he’s having a pop at contributors who didn’t like Rover puzzles very much, by reason of the compiler’s passing. This is underhand. I think we should be able to express opinions honestly, without fear of recrimination for whatever reason.

  19. Jake says:

    I noticed that on the crossword centre had no sorry to hear for Rover’s passing, I read the text as ‘if anybody knows Rover’ ?

    I didn’t know Rover, and I guess that pretty much all who visit the crossword center are Listener, or advanced cryptic solvers. Rover not being that style of setter, made more sense for all to reply here as this is a daily cryptic site – in which Rover was part of.

  20. tupu says:

    Walruss. Re ‘underhand’. As far as I myself am concerned, I stated quite plainly on the day (May 11 @15) that I was surprised at the ‘unremitting harshness of some comments’ about Rover’s last offering. In this virtual world of ‘blog IDs’, it is perhaps too easy to go OTT.

  21. Bill Taylor says:

    I’ve never been much in sympathy with the virtual world of blog IDs. I’ve always posted whatever I had to say under my own name.

    It was quite right to mark Rover’s passing here and, of course, “de mortuis nihil nisi bonum dicamus.” But it’s hardly appropriate to take issue with expressed opinions, however harsh, of his crosswords while he was alive.

  22. tupu says:

    Bill. You are right that this is not the place for this argument. I will comment on general chat.

  23. Bill Taylor says:

    I shall look for you there.

  24. walruss says:

    Well, Bill is simply right about the whole thing, I thnink.

  25. tupu says:

    Hi walruss. See 22 and 23

  26. Jim T says:

    Sorry to hear the news. I enjoyed Rover’s puzzles.

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