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		<title>By: smiffy</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2010/08/25/financial-times-13473-hamilton/#comment-118821</link>
		<dc:creator>smiffy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2010 17:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Belated apologies to Gaufrid for my downright incorrect nit-picking on 25A.  

And thanks to Eileen for the fashion link (which I just happened to click on as my boss sidled past!).

Scarpia: I&#039;m sure that the difference between the yuppie and Sloane tribes were important at the time, but you&#039;re probably right to consign them both to the same compartment of the dustbin of history by now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Belated apologies to Gaufrid for my downright incorrect nit-picking on 25A.  </p>
<p>And thanks to Eileen for the fashion link (which I just happened to click on as my boss sidled past!).</p>
<p>Scarpia: I&#8217;m sure that the difference between the yuppie and Sloane tribes were important at the time, but you&#8217;re probably right to consign them both to the same compartment of the dustbin of history by now.</p>
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		<title>By: Scarpia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scarpia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2010 23:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Gaufrid.
  I enjoyed this puzzle a lot.I don&#039;t mind loose definitions/unusual anagram indicators,they usually add to the fun.Must admit I thought line/fringe was only just about acceptable but all the rest of the debatable ones were fine by me.
28 across took me a while to parse,thinking of stresses for reinforces which didn&#039;t work at all!
smiffy@1,I didn&#039;t know there was a difference between yuppies and Sloanes!Both so Eighties.
Favourite clues 5 across,6 and 16 down.
Tres bon!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Gaufrid.<br />
  I enjoyed this puzzle a lot.I don&#8217;t mind loose definitions/unusual anagram indicators,they usually add to the fun.Must admit I thought line/fringe was only just about acceptable but all the rest of the debatable ones were fine by me.<br />
28 across took me a while to parse,thinking of stresses for reinforces which didn&#8217;t work at all!<br />
smiffy@1,I didn&#8217;t know there was a difference between yuppies and Sloanes!Both so Eighties.<br />
Favourite clues 5 across,6 and 16 down.<br />
Tres bon!</p>
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		<title>By: Hamilton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hamilton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2010 20:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Many thanks Gaufrid for your very detailed blog, and to Smiffy, Eileen and Dynamic for your comments.

On the point in 14d, I was using &quot;fringe/line&quot; in the sense of &quot;the ground is fringed by a row of trees&quot;. The OED would support the use of line in that context.

Gaufrid - the only other French connection was bias, from biais (angle).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many thanks Gaufrid for your very detailed blog, and to Smiffy, Eileen and Dynamic for your comments.</p>
<p>On the point in 14d, I was using &#8220;fringe/line&#8221; in the sense of &#8220;the ground is fringed by a row of trees&#8221;. The OED would support the use of line in that context.</p>
<p>Gaufrid &#8211; the only other French connection was bias, from biais (angle).</p>
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		<title>By: Dynamic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dynamic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2010 19:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rather enjoyable. Made a fast start (for me) but got bogged down in the SE corner. Short of time so didn&#039;t get 5d, 20d, 23a (new word to me), 24d before checking here.

Thanks to Gaufrid and Hamilton.

I hadn&#039;t understood FEY/FAIT in 21a, so thanks for the learning experience, and having got A-LIST I struggled with inserted CHEM in 26a until I saw your explanations, in which I concur with Eileen in using hem and trim as verbs and synonyms.

Still unsure of 14d&#039;s intended wordplay and hadn&#039;t really checked it thoroughly. I just thought LINE = fringe, but maybe it&#039;s about A-LINE dresses.

28a TRESSES from French &#039;tresse&#039; = a braid of hair (Chambers), a slight French link.
24d BALSA tree named from Spanish word meaning raft or light fishing boat (Chambers).

Favourite clues: 17a (loved the high-finance surface reading, esp in context of FT), 19d, 16d, 12a, 6d (Okay-Yah!).

Plenty to make me smile, and a nice mixture of taxing and accessible clues.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rather enjoyable. Made a fast start (for me) but got bogged down in the SE corner. Short of time so didn&#8217;t get 5d, 20d, 23a (new word to me), 24d before checking here.</p>
<p>Thanks to Gaufrid and Hamilton.</p>
<p>I hadn&#8217;t understood FEY/FAIT in 21a, so thanks for the learning experience, and having got A-LIST I struggled with inserted CHEM in 26a until I saw your explanations, in which I concur with Eileen in using hem and trim as verbs and synonyms.</p>
<p>Still unsure of 14d&#8217;s intended wordplay and hadn&#8217;t really checked it thoroughly. I just thought LINE = fringe, but maybe it&#8217;s about A-LINE dresses.</p>
<p>28a TRESSES from French &#8216;tresse&#8217; = a braid of hair (Chambers), a slight French link.<br />
24d BALSA tree named from Spanish word meaning raft or light fishing boat (Chambers).</p>
<p>Favourite clues: 17a (loved the high-finance surface reading, esp in context of FT), 19d, 16d, 12a, 6d (Okay-Yah!).</p>
<p>Plenty to make me smile, and a nice mixture of taxing and accessible clues.</p>
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		<title>By: Eileen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eileen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2010 15:43:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Gaufrid

23ac: I, too, remember those &#039;Skeggie&#039; posters on railway platforms. To me, as a child, &#039;bracing&#039; meant &#039;cold&#039;, because that&#039;s how it was when we went! Collins gives &#039;freshen&#039; for &#039;brace&#039; and &#039;refreshing&#039; for bracing&#039; - both OK by me as anagram indicators. 

26ac: when dressmaking, to trim [&#039;to make tidy or neat&#039; - Chambers] the raw edge of the bottom of a skirt, I would hem it.

Hi Smiffy

A Line dresses are so called from the shape: 

http://fashion.about.com/cs/glossary/g/bldefaline.htm

I didn&#039;t really think about this when solving: Chambers has fringe = border, so I suppose if you think of crossing the border / line but I don&#039;t particularly like it. Perhaps it&#039;s a leap too far.

[I didn&#039;t even notice the French &#039;theme&#039;! :-( ]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Gaufrid</p>
<p>23ac: I, too, remember those &#8216;Skeggie&#8217; posters on railway platforms. To me, as a child, &#8216;bracing&#8217; meant &#8216;cold&#8217;, because that&#8217;s how it was when we went! Collins gives &#8216;freshen&#8217; for &#8216;brace&#8217; and &#8216;refreshing&#8217; for bracing&#8217; &#8211; both OK by me as anagram indicators. </p>
<p>26ac: when dressmaking, to trim ['to make tidy or neat' - Chambers] the raw edge of the bottom of a skirt, I would hem it.</p>
<p>Hi Smiffy</p>
<p>A Line dresses are so called from the shape: </p>
<p><a href="http://fashion.about.com/cs/glossary/g/bldefaline.htm" rel="nofollow">http://fashion.about.com/cs/glossary/g/bldefaline.htm</a></p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t really think about this when solving: Chambers has fringe = border, so I suppose if you think of crossing the border / line but I don&#8217;t particularly like it. Perhaps it&#8217;s a leap too far.</p>
<p>[I didn't even notice the French 'theme'! <img src='http://www.fifteensquared.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' />  ]</p>
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		<title>By: Gaufrid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gaufrid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2010 15:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi smiffy
At last a comment! It&#039;s been rather quiet here today.

In 25d, if you remove &#039;arts&#039; in the same order you are left with BISA which doen&#039;t fit the definition or the grid. The altenative way of looking at this clue is that &#039;influence&#039; is doing double duty as both the definition and an anagram indicator for *(BARISTAS-ARTS) and then either of the As and the Ss could be removed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi smiffy<br />
At last a comment! It&#8217;s been rather quiet here today.</p>
<p>In 25d, if you remove &#8216;arts&#8217; in the same order you are left with BISA which doen&#8217;t fit the definition or the grid. The altenative way of looking at this clue is that &#8216;influence&#8217; is doing double duty as both the definition and an anagram indicator for *(BARISTAS-ARTS) and then either of the As and the Ss could be removed.</p>
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		<title>By: smiffy</title>
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		<dc:creator>smiffy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2010 14:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi (or should that be Bonjour?) Gaufrid.

I share your sentiments almost entirely.  But here are few sundry braindroppings:

23A I thought that &#039;bracing&#039; was ok as an angrind - as in the infamous Skegness poster of yesteryear. Chambers seems to concur (=&quot;stimulating&quot;).  Still a but of a clunky clue though.

26A &#039;Trim&#039;/hem just about pass muster as a verb I think. But then I&#039;m certainly no fashionista (see below).

6D I take issue with &quot;Yah&quot; as Yuppie-speak.  I have it pegged as a kind of bray that&#039;s exclusiveto  Sloane Rangers.

14D I wondered whether A LINE was a reference to fringes on A-Line dresses.  However, Chambers suggests not, so my dress-sense remains minuscule.

25D Somewhat pedantic, but you have the wrong &quot;S&quot; removed.  It should be ARTS in the same order.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi (or should that be Bonjour?) Gaufrid.</p>
<p>I share your sentiments almost entirely.  But here are few sundry braindroppings:</p>
<p>23A I thought that &#8216;bracing&#8217; was ok as an angrind &#8211; as in the infamous Skegness poster of yesteryear. Chambers seems to concur (=&#8221;stimulating&#8221;).  Still a but of a clunky clue though.</p>
<p>26A &#8216;Trim&#8217;/hem just about pass muster as a verb I think. But then I&#8217;m certainly no fashionista (see below).</p>
<p>6D I take issue with &#8220;Yah&#8221; as Yuppie-speak.  I have it pegged as a kind of bray that&#8217;s exclusiveto  Sloane Rangers.</p>
<p>14D I wondered whether A LINE was a reference to fringes on A-Line dresses.  However, Chambers suggests not, so my dress-sense remains minuscule.</p>
<p>25D Somewhat pedantic, but you have the wrong &#8220;S&#8221; removed.  It should be ARTS in the same order.</p>
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