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	<title>Comments on: Guardian 25,099 / Gordius</title>
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		<title>By: mhl</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2010/08/26/guardian-25099-gordius/#comment-126379</link>
		<dc:creator>mhl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Oct 2010 18:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gordon Roy: the blogger for each post gets an email notification for each comment, so I&#039;ve seen your comment even if most won&#039;t.  I have to say it&#039;s unusual to get a followup nearly two months later :)

Although your suggestion is interesting (I&#039;m glad to hear of the demon Gaap, in particular!) I think it&#039;s a bit too much of a stretch, especially since there&#039;s no homophone indicator.  I think &quot;?&quot;s are used pretty widely to just mean &quot;perhaps a dodgy cryptic definition&quot; (among other things).  I think the simpler explanation is probably the intended one, myself.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gordon Roy: the blogger for each post gets an email notification for each comment, so I&#8217;ve seen your comment even if most won&#8217;t.  I have to say it&#8217;s unusual to get a followup nearly two months later <img src='http://www.fifteensquared.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Although your suggestion is interesting (I&#8217;m glad to hear of the demon Gaap, in particular!) I think it&#8217;s a bit too much of a stretch, especially since there&#8217;s no homophone indicator.  I think &#8220;?&#8221;s are used pretty widely to just mean &#8220;perhaps a dodgy cryptic definition&#8221; (among other things).  I think the simpler explanation is probably the intended one, myself.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon Roy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gordon Roy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Oct 2010 17:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi

I&#039;m a bit late, as always, to add comments and I don&#039;t know if anyone will bother to respond, but I am still unhappy about the explanation of 11A.  Nobody has explained the us of ? at the end of the clue which usually indicates something very cryptic.  The explanations given so far don&#039;t do that, and the wording of &#039;gravy train&#039; isn&#039;t really explained.

It is a long shot but could it be something to do with the homophone link between GAP and GAAP.  The latter actually has two meanings and the links are below.  One is the standard accounting principles which would seem to apply to the clue.  The second refers to Gaap the mythical demon who is there to keep people on the straight and narrow.   People on the gravy train are not usually on the straight and narrow.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GAAP

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaap

If anyone is reading this, what do you think?

Best wishes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a bit late, as always, to add comments and I don&#8217;t know if anyone will bother to respond, but I am still unhappy about the explanation of 11A.  Nobody has explained the us of ? at the end of the clue which usually indicates something very cryptic.  The explanations given so far don&#8217;t do that, and the wording of &#8216;gravy train&#8217; isn&#8217;t really explained.</p>
<p>It is a long shot but could it be something to do with the homophone link between GAP and GAAP.  The latter actually has two meanings and the links are below.  One is the standard accounting principles which would seem to apply to the clue.  The second refers to Gaap the mythical demon who is there to keep people on the straight and narrow.   People on the gravy train are not usually on the straight and narrow.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GAAP" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GAAP</a></p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaap" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaap</a></p>
<p>If anyone is reading this, what do you think?</p>
<p>Best wishes.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Lazenby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek Lazenby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Aug 2010 23:36:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sil, any bridge or whist player would use H for heart(s). Your mis-spent youth can&#039;t have been mis-spent enough :D]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sil, any bridge or whist player would use H for heart(s). Your mis-spent youth can&#8217;t have been mis-spent enough <img src='http://www.fifteensquared.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Sil van den Hoek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sil van den Hoek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Aug 2010 23:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, Martin, I was only unhappyish with H for &#039;heart&#039;, because Chambers tells me that H can be &#039;hearts&#039; with an &#039;s&#039; at the end, only - and because someone told me that Chambers is just like the Holy Book for the serious solver.
Rather funny that Oxford 5th Ed. ánd Collins-Online ánd Free Dictionary Online do not mention it at all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Martin, I was only unhappyish with H for &#8216;heart&#8217;, because Chambers tells me that H can be &#8216;hearts&#8217; with an &#8216;s&#8217; at the end, only &#8211; and because someone told me that Chambers is just like the Holy Book for the serious solver.<br />
Rather funny that Oxford 5th Ed. ánd Collins-Online ánd Free Dictionary Online do not mention it at all.</p>
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		<title>By: tupu</title>
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		<dc:creator>tupu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Aug 2010 22:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Martin

Good to get it exactly from you.  I felt sure I&#039;d seen something of the sort in newspaper columns etc. Sorry about the typos etc. I must have been a little under the affluence of incohol!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Martin</p>
<p>Good to get it exactly from you.  I felt sure I&#8217;d seen something of the sort in newspaper columns etc. Sorry about the typos etc. I must have been a little under the affluence of incohol!</p>
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		<title>By: Martin H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Aug 2010 20:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[tupu and Sil - 1H means a bid of one Heart in a report of a game of Bridge, similarly C, D, S.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tupu and Sil &#8211; 1H means a bid of one Heart in a report of a game of Bridge, similarly C, D, S.</p>
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		<title>By: tupu</title>
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		<dc:creator>tupu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Aug 2010 15:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Sil
A good comment I think. Once again some bloggers seemed (to me) to get into a bit too harsh a frame of mind.

Re Heart as singular. You were right earlier of course that it stands for the card suit Hearts. But can&#039;t it also be used in that context in the singular? I am not a bridge or whist player, and others will know better, but I would not be surprised if one found find a description of a game where &#039;one H&#039; is used as an abbreviation for one Heart card (e.g. in a hand) or one Heart trick. Perhaps other late commers might comment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sil<br />
A good comment I think. Once again some bloggers seemed (to me) to get into a bit too harsh a frame of mind.</p>
<p>Re Heart as singular. You were right earlier of course that it stands for the card suit Hearts. But can&#8217;t it also be used in that context in the singular? I am not a bridge or whist player, and others will know better, but I would not be surprised if one found find a description of a game where &#8216;one H&#8217; is used as an abbreviation for one Heart card (e.g. in a hand) or one Heart trick. Perhaps other late commers might comment.</p>
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		<title>By: gm4hqf</title>
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		<dc:creator>gm4hqf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Aug 2010 14:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[11a Beat me.  I had Mind the Fat. Thinking of fat cats and gravy trains. Didn&#039;t sound right!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>11a Beat me.  I had Mind the Fat. Thinking of fat cats and gravy trains. Didn&#8217;t sound right!</p>
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		<title>By: Sil van den Hoek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sil van den Hoek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Aug 2010 13:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, indeed, Derek, that was a reference to Mary Hopkin&#039;s first single on the Apple label. 
I could have chosen the title of her second one as well, which was &quot;Goodbye&quot; [written by Paul McCartney himself].

All this has , of course, nothing to do with Gordius as such, although the two clues I mentioned gave me a melancholic feeling of going way back in time - in fact, in the 50s/60s my late father was an &#039;arbeider&#039; [one who works in a factory], a Dutch word that is almost identical to &#039;arbeiter&#039;.

BTW, looking back at this puzzle [that I didn&#039;t like yesterday] I am not so negative anymore. Apart from 10 and 11ac [which deal with something beyond me],both 22&#039;s and the H for the singular &#039;heart&#039;, there is not that much wrong with it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, indeed, Derek, that was a reference to Mary Hopkin&#8217;s first single on the Apple label.<br />
I could have chosen the title of her second one as well, which was &#8220;Goodbye&#8221; [written by Paul McCartney himself].</p>
<p>All this has , of course, nothing to do with Gordius as such, although the two clues I mentioned gave me a melancholic feeling of going way back in time &#8211; in fact, in the 50s/60s my late father was an &#8216;arbeider&#8217; [one who works in a factory], a Dutch word that is almost identical to &#8216;arbeiter&#8217;.</p>
<p>BTW, looking back at this puzzle [that I didn't like yesterday] I am not so negative anymore. Apart from 10 and 11ac [which deal with something beyond me],both 22&#8242;s and the H for the singular &#8216;heart&#8217;, there is not that much wrong with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Lazenby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek Lazenby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2010 23:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sil, I can&#039;t remember if it was original, maybe not, but did you mean to end by quoting a Mary Hopkins song, one of the earliest released on Apple?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sil, I can&#8217;t remember if it was original, maybe not, but did you mean to end by quoting a Mary Hopkins song, one of the earliest released on Apple?</p>
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