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	<title>Comments on: Guardian 25,095 (Sat 21 Aug)/Araucaria &#8211; Any colour as long as it&#8217;s black and white</title>
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		<title>By: tupu</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2010/08/28/guardian-25095-sat-21-augaraucaria-any-colour-as-long-as-its-black-and-white/#comment-119043</link>
		<dc:creator>tupu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2010 17:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Davy
 :) I would like to be able to say it&#039;s a case of &#039;If the young only knew and the old only could!&#039;. The trouble is that despite his modest self portrait in &#039;Bloggers&#039;, rigthback seems to &#039;know&#039; as well!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Davy<br />
 <img src='http://www.fifteensquared.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I would like to be able to say it&#8217;s a case of &#8216;If the young only knew and the old only could!&#8217;. The trouble is that despite his modest self portrait in &#8216;Bloggers&#8217;, rigthback seems to &#8216;know&#8217; as well!</p>
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		<title>By: Davy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Davy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2010 16:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks rightback,

A great puzzle from the great man. I wonder if he knows of this site and reads the comments relating to his puzzles. I doubt it, he&#039;s probably working on future creations.

I loved ORPHANAGES which is a great answer to a great clue (must find another word for great, it&#039;s starting to grate).

Also, spent ages on 17d trying to make an anagram of &#039;son of his&#039; (doctor) and eventually latched on to the correct interpretation. Very misleading.

It must have taken me at least two hours to finish this puzzle. I only got 3 on the Saturday, finished most of the rest on Sunday evening and finally got the last three on Monday morning. I can&#039;t see that there&#039;s much fun in completing this in 8 minutes. If everything is so easy, then why bother. Maybe quantum physics would be a better pastime for you rightback.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks rightback,</p>
<p>A great puzzle from the great man. I wonder if he knows of this site and reads the comments relating to his puzzles. I doubt it, he&#8217;s probably working on future creations.</p>
<p>I loved ORPHANAGES which is a great answer to a great clue (must find another word for great, it&#8217;s starting to grate).</p>
<p>Also, spent ages on 17d trying to make an anagram of &#8216;son of his&#8217; (doctor) and eventually latched on to the correct interpretation. Very misleading.</p>
<p>It must have taken me at least two hours to finish this puzzle. I only got 3 on the Saturday, finished most of the rest on Sunday evening and finally got the last three on Monday morning. I can&#8217;t see that there&#8217;s much fun in completing this in 8 minutes. If everything is so easy, then why bother. Maybe quantum physics would be a better pastime for you rightback.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2010 12:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks tupu - it makes sense when you put it like that!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks tupu &#8211; it makes sense when you put it like that!</p>
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		<title>By: tupu</title>
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		<dc:creator>tupu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2010 11:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re 11 Time Trial
For what it&#039;s worth, Google supports this with several references.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re 11 Time Trial<br />
For what it&#8217;s worth, Google supports this with several references.</p>
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		<title>By: tupu</title>
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		<dc:creator>tupu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2010 11:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Roger et al
I am puzzled by the criticism of &#039;by&#039;. It seems to me to make reasonable cryptic sense.
I agree that without it the clue does read (cryptically misleadingly)
German decapitated (passive) = neighbour.
But it also seems to read well enough as
the passive form of &#039;neighbour decapitates German&#039;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Roger et al<br />
I am puzzled by the criticism of &#8216;by&#8217;. It seems to me to make reasonable cryptic sense.<br />
I agree that without it the clue does read (cryptically misleadingly)<br />
German decapitated (passive) = neighbour.<br />
But it also seems to read well enough as<br />
the passive form of &#8216;neighbour decapitates German&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: tupu</title>
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		<dc:creator>tupu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2010 11:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi rightback

Re TT. OED supports your tolerance - &quot;T.T., Tourist Trophy (freq. used ellipt. for Tourist Trophy Race)&quot;

I seem to remember it being used also as an abbreviation of Time Trial e.g. in cycle racing, but find no dictionary support for this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi rightback</p>
<p>Re TT. OED supports your tolerance &#8211; &#8220;T.T., Tourist Trophy (freq. used ellipt. for Tourist Trophy Race)&#8221;</p>
<p>I seem to remember it being used also as an abbreviation of Time Trial e.g. in cycle racing, but find no dictionary support for this.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2010 10:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks rightback,

See what you mean regarding &#039;by&#039; in 23a ~ the clue would seem to work ok without it. Although is there perhaps a sense in which Russia (neighbour) was partly instrumental (through its membership of the Allied Control Council) in the dissolution (killing-off/decapitating ?) of the Prussian state after WW2 .
Clutching at straws, probably. I&#039;m sure others with a better grasp of history will put me straight / shoot me down in flames.

Thanks anyway, Araucaria. And now to tackle your monster offering today !]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks rightback,</p>
<p>See what you mean regarding &#8216;by&#8217; in 23a ~ the clue would seem to work ok without it. Although is there perhaps a sense in which Russia (neighbour) was partly instrumental (through its membership of the Allied Control Council) in the dissolution (killing-off/decapitating ?) of the Prussian state after WW2 .<br />
Clutching at straws, probably. I&#8217;m sure others with a better grasp of history will put me straight / shoot me down in flames.</p>
<p>Thanks anyway, Araucaria. And now to tackle your monster offering today !</p>
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		<title>By: Sil van den Hoek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sil van den Hoek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2010 10:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, a good crossword - although I share some minor quibbles that rightback mentioned in his Brilliant Blog [being the repeated use of T, the dubious &#039;by&#039; in 23ac].

That said, I completed this puzzle a bit too quickly to my taste, probably because the two long ones fell in place almost rightaway. Add to this some rather easy clues [23ac, 3d, 5d (probably the only one I didn&#039;t like very much because of all these abbreviations and single letters), 21d, 25d] and my &#039;verdict&#039; had to be: an Araucaria Lite (but surely very well clued - like the fantastic EVIL and ORPHANAGES).

For once, the Cinephile that Mr Graham produced that same Saturday in the FT [we&#039;ll talk about that halfway the coming week] was, for me, the Araucaria of the Day.
[and if you haven&#039;t done it, take your chances while you can]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, a good crossword &#8211; although I share some minor quibbles that rightback mentioned in his Brilliant Blog [being the repeated use of T, the dubious 'by' in 23ac].</p>
<p>That said, I completed this puzzle a bit too quickly to my taste, probably because the two long ones fell in place almost rightaway. Add to this some rather easy clues [23ac, 3d, 5d (probably the only one I didn't like very much because of all these abbreviations and single letters), 21d, 25d] and my &#8216;verdict&#8217; had to be: an Araucaria Lite (but surely very well clued &#8211; like the fantastic EVIL and ORPHANAGES).</p>
<p>For once, the Cinephile that Mr Graham produced that same Saturday in the FT [we'll talk about that halfway the coming week] was, for me, the Araucaria of the Day.<br />
[and if you haven't done it, take your chances while you can]</p>
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		<title>By: tupu</title>
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		<dc:creator>tupu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2010 10:01:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Stella
sc. Daughterless.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Stella<br />
sc. Daughterless.</p>
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		<title>By: tupu</title>
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		<dc:creator>tupu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2010 10:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Stella

Thanks. As I read 2d Duaghterless Delius is another composer.

Hi Chris

&#039;Let&#039; is one of those teasing words like &#039;cleave&#039; which seem to mean two opposite things. It most commonly appears in this sense in the expression &#039;without let or hindrance&#039; and in the tennis expression &#039;let&#039; or &#039;let ball&#039; when the service has been impeded by the net. This last is confusing because it is easy to think of it as &#039;allowing&#039; another service.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Stella</p>
<p>Thanks. As I read 2d Duaghterless Delius is another composer.</p>
<p>Hi Chris</p>
<p>&#8216;Let&#8217; is one of those teasing words like &#8216;cleave&#8217; which seem to mean two opposite things. It most commonly appears in this sense in the expression &#8216;without let or hindrance&#8217; and in the tennis expression &#8216;let&#8217; or &#8216;let ball&#8217; when the service has been impeded by the net. This last is confusing because it is easy to think of it as &#8216;allowing&#8217; another service.</p>
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