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		<title>By: Sil van den Hoek</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2010/09/22/guardian-25122-enigmatist/#comment-122075</link>
		<dc:creator>Sil van den Hoek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2010 13:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oops ... what have I done.
All my objections carefully dismantled.

jetdoc, I surrender! :)

[there&#039;s indeed not much wrong with the crossword, very clever in many places, but I fear E&#039;s style (as shown here, that is) is not completely my cup of tea - it&#039;s just that touch of lightness I&#039;m missing, it was like entering a dark forest all on my own with no-one around]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops &#8230; what have I done.<br />
All my objections carefully dismantled.</p>
<p>jetdoc, I surrender! <img src='http://www.fifteensquared.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>[there's indeed not much wrong with the crossword, very clever in many places, but I fear E's style (as shown here, that is) is not completely my cup of tea - it's just that touch of lightness I'm missing, it was like entering a dark forest all on my own with no-one around]</p>
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		<title>By: Davy</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2010/09/22/guardian-25122-enigmatist/#comment-122048</link>
		<dc:creator>Davy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2010 08:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have finally seen the LIGHT (maybe for the FIRST time). Very clever but my reservations about the puzzle remain. Thanks jetdoc.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have finally seen the LIGHT (maybe for the FIRST time). Very clever but my reservations about the puzzle remain. Thanks jetdoc.</p>
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		<title>By: Eileen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eileen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2010 08:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the confirmations, jetdoc - and to &#039;spouse&#039; for the puzzle. :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the confirmations, jetdoc &#8211; and to &#8216;spouse&#8217; for the puzzle. <img src='http://www.fifteensquared.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: jetdoc</title>
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		<dc:creator>jetdoc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2010 08:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[… and I should have added that the first light, LEG-PULL, is a hoax.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>… and I should have added that the first light, LEG-PULL, is a hoax.</p>
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		<title>By: jetdoc</title>
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		<dc:creator>jetdoc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2010 08:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[FIRST LIGHT is 1 across in its entirety — &lt;b&gt;light&lt;/b&gt; is defined in Chambers as ‘in a crossword, the word (or sometimes an individual letter in the word) on the diagram that is the answer to a clue’. This is standard crossword terminology.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FIRST LIGHT is 1 across in its entirety — <b>light</b> is defined in Chambers as ‘in a crossword, the word (or sometimes an individual letter in the word) on the diagram that is the answer to a clue’. This is standard crossword terminology.</p>
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		<title>By: Davy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Davy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2010 07:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Eileen,

I thought I&#039;d sleep on this one before commenting. My perception has not changed and I found this a mixture of the obscure, the trite and some very poor surfaces. It was as if someone had borrowed Enigmatist&#039;s name and submitted their own crossword. I finished about half of this before throwing in the towel and the last one I got was 5,15 which was not a bad clue but BOOHOO (I&#039;d be embarrassed to include this), ROLL-OUT (a vague answer to a poor surface), YAHOO (trying to be too clever I think) and EIGENVECTOR ( an obscure word that most people wouldn&#039;t even want to add to their vocabulary). Also, I still don&#039;t understand where the hoax comes into FIRST LIGHT. If light refers to a white square, then this is where the answer is written. A clue is not a hoax.

I normally respect Enigmatist as a difficult and fair setter but on this occasion something seems to have gone wrong. The idea of a crossword is to be entertaining and not impenetrable. I will reserve judgement until next time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Eileen,</p>
<p>I thought I&#8217;d sleep on this one before commenting. My perception has not changed and I found this a mixture of the obscure, the trite and some very poor surfaces. It was as if someone had borrowed Enigmatist&#8217;s name and submitted their own crossword. I finished about half of this before throwing in the towel and the last one I got was 5,15 which was not a bad clue but BOOHOO (I&#8217;d be embarrassed to include this), ROLL-OUT (a vague answer to a poor surface), YAHOO (trying to be too clever I think) and EIGENVECTOR ( an obscure word that most people wouldn&#8217;t even want to add to their vocabulary). Also, I still don&#8217;t understand where the hoax comes into FIRST LIGHT. If light refers to a white square, then this is where the answer is written. A clue is not a hoax.</p>
<p>I normally respect Enigmatist as a difficult and fair setter but on this occasion something seems to have gone wrong. The idea of a crossword is to be entertaining and not impenetrable. I will reserve judgement until next time.</p>
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		<title>By: jetdoc</title>
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		<dc:creator>jetdoc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2010 07:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sil —

Chambers defines LADIFY as ‘to call My Lady or Your Ladyship’.

G is George in GR (George Rex), the king: maybe a bit UK-centric, but OK. 

The anagrind in 5,15 is ‘following disturbance’.

‘arm?’ is the definition for FORELIMB; a leg, in a biped, would be a hindlimb.

Chambers defines &lt;b&gt;rating&lt;/b&gt; as ‘the class of any member of a crew; a sailor of such a class’; and AB as ‘able-bodied seaman’. This is pretty standard stuff.

OOH = “I’m surprised!” is taken in by “Surprise!” = BOO (two things that might be cried out when surprising someone).

007, presumably, is one in a series of spies starting with 001.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sil —</p>
<p>Chambers defines LADIFY as ‘to call My Lady or Your Ladyship’.</p>
<p>G is George in GR (George Rex), the king: maybe a bit UK-centric, but OK. </p>
<p>The anagrind in 5,15 is ‘following disturbance’.</p>
<p>‘arm?’ is the definition for FORELIMB; a leg, in a biped, would be a hindlimb.</p>
<p>Chambers defines <b>rating</b> as ‘the class of any member of a crew; a sailor of such a class’; and AB as ‘able-bodied seaman’. This is pretty standard stuff.</p>
<p>OOH = “I’m surprised!” is taken in by “Surprise!” = BOO (two things that might be cried out when surprising someone).</p>
<p>007, presumably, is one in a series of spies starting with 001.</p>
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		<title>By: Colin Blackburn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colin Blackburn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2010 07:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To answer some of Sil&#039;s queries:

G = George might not be in Chambers but it is standard when abbreviating kings and queens in Britain in the form GR. I&#039;d treat Edward, Elizabeth and Henry in a similar light, though Henry does of course have a Chambers&#039; entry for other reasons.
OO for intro to spies: 007 was but one spy, hence the 7. Someone with more knowledge than me will be able to say who 001 and 002 are, So here a plral or singular would do if you accept that 00 = OO.
BOOHOO is Cry. &quot;I&#039;m surprised&quot;is OOH, surprise is BOO.
I think Rating is enough to clue AB. Able Seaman (AB) is one rank within Naval Rating.

Colin]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To answer some of Sil&#8217;s queries:</p>
<p>G = George might not be in Chambers but it is standard when abbreviating kings and queens in Britain in the form GR. I&#8217;d treat Edward, Elizabeth and Henry in a similar light, though Henry does of course have a Chambers&#8217; entry for other reasons.<br />
OO for intro to spies: 007 was but one spy, hence the 7. Someone with more knowledge than me will be able to say who 001 and 002 are, So here a plral or singular would do if you accept that 00 = OO.<br />
BOOHOO is Cry. &#8220;I&#8217;m surprised&#8221;is OOH, surprise is BOO.<br />
I think Rating is enough to clue AB. Able Seaman (AB) is one rank within Naval Rating.</p>
<p>Colin</p>
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		<title>By: Sil van den Hoek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sil van den Hoek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 21:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This was, after being in (Boatman&#039;s) heaven for a while, a rather uncomfortable return to Earth.
We spend more than an hour on this crossword [on real paper, far away from dictionaries &amp; internet - which is very different from doing it online and cheating every now and then], only to find out that we didn&#039;t like it at all.
I think we solved about 30% of the clues - are we just beginners (again) or is it Enigmatist?

Agree with Martin H&#039;s first lines in #8.
Looking back at this crossword (for which we needed you, Eileen, more than ever) one cannot say that there was that much wrong (even though I criticise a lot of the clues below).
But there was no lightness to add to the cleverness.

&#039;Call the mistress&#039; for LADIFY? 
&#039;George&#039; = G? [Not for Mrs Chambers]
&#039;the First&#039; = A? [a capital F?]
(and the combination of the two doesn&#039;t feel right - however, this was one of the clues we did find the answer to, so hurrah!)
Didn&#039;t like the anagrind in 5,15 either. &#039;Following&#039;?
Just like Martin H we weren&#039;t happy with &#039;Question&#039; in 13d.
And what is &#039;arm&#039; doing in 17d other than more or less making a contrast with the &#039;leg&#039; in 1ac?  Very unelegant.
&#039;Rating&#039; is enough to define AB?
19ac: BOO (&#039;Cry&#039;) with OOH (&quot;I&#039;m surprised!&quot;) to be taken in - and then &#039;by surprise&#039; for BOOHOO?  &#039;By&#039;?
Nobody seems to have any trouble with OO for &#039;intro for spies&#039;.
I can&#039;t believe that this is the start of 007. &#039;Spies&#039; is plural and 007 isn&#039;t. Moreover, &#039;intro&#039; suggests only the first character to be an O.

Ah well, Enigmatist is beyond any doubt a clever setter, who offered me a vintage wine that should be great according to what I read in the books, but it didn&#039;t taste well today.
[I am sure, though, that he has some other bottles in store]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was, after being in (Boatman&#8217;s) heaven for a while, a rather uncomfortable return to Earth.<br />
We spend more than an hour on this crossword [on real paper, far away from dictionaries &amp; internet - which is very different from doing it online and cheating every now and then], only to find out that we didn&#8217;t like it at all.<br />
I think we solved about 30% of the clues &#8211; are we just beginners (again) or is it Enigmatist?</p>
<p>Agree with Martin H&#8217;s first lines in #8.<br />
Looking back at this crossword (for which we needed you, Eileen, more than ever) one cannot say that there was that much wrong (even though I criticise a lot of the clues below).<br />
But there was no lightness to add to the cleverness.</p>
<p>&#8216;Call the mistress&#8217; for LADIFY?<br />
&#8216;George&#8217; = G? [Not for Mrs Chambers]<br />
&#8216;the First&#8217; = A? [a capital F?]<br />
(and the combination of the two doesn&#8217;t feel right &#8211; however, this was one of the clues we did find the answer to, so hurrah!)<br />
Didn&#8217;t like the anagrind in 5,15 either. &#8216;Following&#8217;?<br />
Just like Martin H we weren&#8217;t happy with &#8216;Question&#8217; in 13d.<br />
And what is &#8216;arm&#8217; doing in 17d other than more or less making a contrast with the &#8216;leg&#8217; in 1ac?  Very unelegant.<br />
&#8216;Rating&#8217; is enough to define AB?<br />
19ac: BOO (&#8216;Cry&#8217;) with OOH (&#8220;I&#8217;m surprised!&#8221;) to be taken in &#8211; and then &#8216;by surprise&#8217; for BOOHOO?  &#8216;By&#8217;?<br />
Nobody seems to have any trouble with OO for &#8216;intro for spies&#8217;.<br />
I can&#8217;t believe that this is the start of 007. &#8216;Spies&#8217; is plural and 007 isn&#8217;t. Moreover, &#8216;intro&#8217; suggests only the first character to be an O.</p>
<p>Ah well, Enigmatist is beyond any doubt a clever setter, who offered me a vintage wine that should be great according to what I read in the books, but it didn&#8217;t taste well today.<br />
[I am sure, though, that he has some other bottles in store]</p>
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		<title>By: molonglo</title>
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		<dc:creator>molonglo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 20:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Eileen, I always value your blogs, and comments.  I too had OHO: it may not be a common gasp but it is unquestionably one of surprise whereas  OOH can conjure up other stuff.  On homophones I got needlessly cranky a while back on &quot;as your=azure&quot; so I only chip in when the reading is way out as in the stresses of 7d/redoubt: but then there&#039;s Tokyo Colin #16, on Tuesdays and Thursdays.  Like him I saw the cut of meat immediately in 12,21.  And agree with muck #17 on SPLINTER since the clue demands a change of hands.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eileen, I always value your blogs, and comments.  I too had OHO: it may not be a common gasp but it is unquestionably one of surprise whereas  OOH can conjure up other stuff.  On homophones I got needlessly cranky a while back on &#8220;as your=azure&#8221; so I only chip in when the reading is way out as in the stresses of 7d/redoubt: but then there&#8217;s Tokyo Colin #16, on Tuesdays and Thursdays.  Like him I saw the cut of meat immediately in 12,21.  And agree with muck #17 on SPLINTER since the clue demands a change of hands.</p>
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