<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Guardian Quiptic 567 / Don Putnam</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.fifteensquared.net/2010/09/27/guardian-quiptic-567-don-putnam/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2010/09/27/guardian-quiptic-567-don-putnam/</link>
	<description>Never knowingly undersolved.</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Fri, 24 May 2013 23:45:02 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1</generator>
	<item>
		<title>By: Sponge</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2010/09/27/guardian-quiptic-567-don-putnam/#comment-123901</link>
		<dc:creator>Sponge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Oct 2010 15:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://fifteensquared.net/?p=21468#comment-123901</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[I really enjoyed this one. It seems this blog is helping my training. I only had to cheat on one this time, 19a. I even got 6d having never heard of the word.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really enjoyed this one. It seems this blog is helping my training. I only had to cheat on one this time, 19a. I even got 6d having never heard of the word.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Pierre</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2010/09/27/guardian-quiptic-567-don-putnam/#comment-122662</link>
		<dc:creator>Pierre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Sep 2010 19:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://fifteensquared.net/?p=21468#comment-122662</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[The blog will be going cold soon, Dynamic, so just (rather than just so) to thank you for the parsing of 19ac - that works for me now you&#039;ve explained it: maybe we were looking for something more complicated when the obvious solution was there all along.

Quiptics ... we&#039;ll get the hang of them one of these days.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The blog will be going cold soon, Dynamic, so just (rather than just so) to thank you for the parsing of 19ac &#8211; that works for me now you&#8217;ve explained it: maybe we were looking for something more complicated when the obvious solution was there all along.</p>
<p>Quiptics &#8230; we&#8217;ll get the hang of them one of these days.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Dynamic</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2010/09/27/guardian-quiptic-567-don-putnam/#comment-122644</link>
		<dc:creator>Dynamic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Sep 2010 17:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://fifteensquared.net/?p=21468#comment-122644</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Re 19a, I think it&#039;s really as simple as you think, with nothing extra. Just the extra padding word after the definition to send the solver down the wrong track.

Obviously if something is &lt;b&gt;just&lt;/b&gt; then &lt;b&gt;so&lt;/b&gt; must it be &lt;b&gt;even-handed&lt;/b&gt;. (Here, &#039;so&#039; means &#039;thus&#039; or &#039;therefore&#039;)

You could paraphrase the clue more boringly to the non-cryptic:
Just is equivalent (4-6)
or simply
Just (4-6)

...but then you&#039;re not sending the solver&#039;s though process away from just as in justice as effectively.

It&#039;s just as satisfying as some of the more humorous cryptic definitions we see, so perhaps calling it a misleading definition (because just-so is a phrase with a different meaning) would differentiate it from the usual contrived-thinking c.d. clues.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re 19a, I think it&#8217;s really as simple as you think, with nothing extra. Just the extra padding word after the definition to send the solver down the wrong track.</p>
<p>Obviously if something is <b>just</b> then <b>so</b> must it be <b>even-handed</b>. (Here, &#8216;so&#8217; means &#8216;thus&#8217; or &#8216;therefore&#8217;)</p>
<p>You could paraphrase the clue more boringly to the non-cryptic:<br />
Just is equivalent (4-6)<br />
or simply<br />
Just (4-6)</p>
<p>&#8230;but then you&#8217;re not sending the solver&#8217;s though process away from just as in justice as effectively.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just as satisfying as some of the more humorous cryptic definitions we see, so perhaps calling it a misleading definition (because just-so is a phrase with a different meaning) would differentiate it from the usual contrived-thinking c.d. clues.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Paul B</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2010/09/27/guardian-quiptic-567-don-putnam/#comment-122543</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Sep 2010 22:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://fifteensquared.net/?p=21468#comment-122543</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[But it was quite a laugh doing it back all them year ago, when the darned thing first demonstrated the insanely variable levels of difficulty apparent from clue to clue (and puzzle to puzzle) people are on about now. 

I promise you, if you are a beginner, that you will be far better off arming yourself with a book of Grauniad - although probably better still Times or Independent - cryptic puzzles from WH Smith, a pencil, a rubber (I mean eraser of course, you wags), possibly some beer, possibly a like-minded friend or dog, and going off to solve as many clues as you can before looking up all the answers and working backwards to see the cryptic devices used.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But it was quite a laugh doing it back all them year ago, when the darned thing first demonstrated the insanely variable levels of difficulty apparent from clue to clue (and puzzle to puzzle) people are on about now. </p>
<p>I promise you, if you are a beginner, that you will be far better off arming yourself with a book of Grauniad &#8211; although probably better still Times or Independent &#8211; cryptic puzzles from WH Smith, a pencil, a rubber (I mean eraser of course, you wags), possibly some beer, possibly a like-minded friend or dog, and going off to solve as many clues as you can before looking up all the answers and working backwards to see the cryptic devices used.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Pierre</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2010/09/27/guardian-quiptic-567-don-putnam/#comment-122518</link>
		<dc:creator>Pierre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Sep 2010 18:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://fifteensquared.net/?p=21468#comment-122518</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Hi Derek.

I think you made the same, very pertinent, point on the last blog I did.  The Guardian website does advertise this as &#039;part quick, part cryptic&#039;, but it clearly isn&#039;t that.  In all the Quiptics that have been blogged so far, there has been nothing other than cryptic clues.  Nothing wrong with that, and the puzzle is obviously aimed at newer solvers, but maybe it needs rebranding.

That said, I think it&#039;s a good concept - it&#039;s been going since November 1999 (number one was also set by Don Putnam) and I wish I&#039;d discovered it earlier, when I was starting to learn how this cryptic stuff all worked.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Derek.</p>
<p>I think you made the same, very pertinent, point on the last blog I did.  The Guardian website does advertise this as &#8216;part quick, part cryptic&#8217;, but it clearly isn&#8217;t that.  In all the Quiptics that have been blogged so far, there has been nothing other than cryptic clues.  Nothing wrong with that, and the puzzle is obviously aimed at newer solvers, but maybe it needs rebranding.</p>
<p>That said, I think it&#8217;s a good concept &#8211; it&#8217;s been going since November 1999 (number one was also set by Don Putnam) and I wish I&#8217;d discovered it earlier, when I was starting to learn how this cryptic stuff all worked.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Derek Lazenby</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2010/09/27/guardian-quiptic-567-don-putnam/#comment-122516</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek Lazenby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Sep 2010 17:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://fifteensquared.net/?p=21468#comment-122516</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Good job we started this blog. Yet again finishing didn&#039;t necessarily equate with understanding in a few cases.

Dodgy bits as already mentioned.

For once it didn&#039;t take longer than the cryptic, mainly due to the latter being Brendan. Had it been Rufus it would have been a close call.

So, at last a proper Quiptic? Nope, much as we here may dislike them, the advert says &quot;and plain clues&quot; which are again notably lacking. Think I&#039;ll add a note to the comments on the crossword&#039;s page. (RacingDog, if you haven&#039;t already figured it!)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good job we started this blog. Yet again finishing didn&#8217;t necessarily equate with understanding in a few cases.</p>
<p>Dodgy bits as already mentioned.</p>
<p>For once it didn&#8217;t take longer than the cryptic, mainly due to the latter being Brendan. Had it been Rufus it would have been a close call.</p>
<p>So, at last a proper Quiptic? Nope, much as we here may dislike them, the advert says &#8220;and plain clues&#8221; which are again notably lacking. Think I&#8217;ll add a note to the comments on the crossword&#8217;s page. (RacingDog, if you haven&#8217;t already figured it!)</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Stella Heath</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2010/09/27/guardian-quiptic-567-don-putnam/#comment-122507</link>
		<dc:creator>Stella Heath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Sep 2010 14:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://fifteensquared.net/?p=21468#comment-122507</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for stepping in, Pierre. Your observations are accurate and well posed, with the only exception that this is not the first time I&#039;ve seen &#039;rib&#039; for &#039;wife&#039;.

I generally rather enjoy Mr. Putnam&#039;s puzzles, but I would appreciate an explanation of 19ac., if anyone has one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for stepping in, Pierre. Your observations are accurate and well posed, with the only exception that this is not the first time I&#8217;ve seen &#8216;rib&#8217; for &#8216;wife&#8217;.</p>
<p>I generally rather enjoy Mr. Putnam&#8217;s puzzles, but I would appreciate an explanation of 19ac., if anyone has one.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Eileen</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2010/09/27/guardian-quiptic-567-don-putnam/#comment-122496</link>
		<dc:creator>Eileen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Sep 2010 11:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://fifteensquared.net/?p=21468#comment-122496</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Hi Pierre - and thanks for the blog.

Well, at least this Quiptic fulfils its brief. 

We&#039;ve had the S for Sunday discussion several times - if it&#039;s good enough for the 15² calendar ... :-)

The two definitions in 15dn are rather too close for me and I agree with you re AMBIVALENT and EVEN-HANDED.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Pierre &#8211; and thanks for the blog.</p>
<p>Well, at least this Quiptic fulfils its brief. </p>
<p>We&#8217;ve had the S for Sunday discussion several times &#8211; if it&#8217;s good enough for the 15² calendar &#8230; <img src='http://www.fifteensquared.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>The two definitions in 15dn are rather too close for me and I agree with you re AMBIVALENT and EVEN-HANDED.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Gaufrid</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2010/09/27/guardian-quiptic-567-don-putnam/#comment-122495</link>
		<dc:creator>Gaufrid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Sep 2010 11:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://fifteensquared.net/?p=21468#comment-122495</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Hi Pierre
Regarding your comment about S = Sunday in 11ac, I cannot find this abbreviation in Chambers or Collins either. However, Chambers does have S = Sabbath which could be Saturday or Sunday (or even Friday!).

Chambers gives JIMCRACKS as a variant spelling for 6dn, though this is not in Collins or COED, so the homophone could have been avoided.

Both Chambers and Collins have LOW-SPIRITEDNESS, but only hyphenated.

I agree with your quibble about 21dn. &#039;Name of chocolate manufacturer&#039; would be more accurate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Pierre<br />
Regarding your comment about S = Sunday in 11ac, I cannot find this abbreviation in Chambers or Collins either. However, Chambers does have S = Sabbath which could be Saturday or Sunday (or even Friday!).</p>
<p>Chambers gives JIMCRACKS as a variant spelling for 6dn, though this is not in Collins or COED, so the homophone could have been avoided.</p>
<p>Both Chambers and Collins have LOW-SPIRITEDNESS, but only hyphenated.</p>
<p>I agree with your quibble about 21dn. &#8216;Name of chocolate manufacturer&#8217; would be more accurate.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
