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		<title>By: Huw Powell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Huw Powell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jan 2011 17:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Much surprised by this - pulled a clean puzzle off the pile to hopefully soothe the frustration of the last few I&#039;ve worked on (which may or may not have been this week&#039;s), and worked through it pretty smoothly, only needing to look up the many definitions of &quot;cob&quot;, as soon as I saw &quot;corylus spp.&quot; it was easy.  What really surprised me waas when I looked at the print date and saw it was a Friday puzzle.  The grauniad really should try harder to have the difficulty increase from M - F to peak at the prize on Sa.  Although with cryptics &quot;difficulty&quot; is very hard to quantify, due to varying specialized knowledge of solvers.

&quot;Tarn&quot; and &quot;aril&quot; are both very common in simple crosswords, and as I used to do a lot of them those were easy.  13 was fine by me, as was 18 - once cracked, they make a sort of Araucarian sense, not so much Ximenian.  Of course the route from &quot;ubiquitous&quot; to &quot;popular&quot; is not one of synonymity, but the other direction is.

Although I &quot;happily&quot; filled in SYNERGY, all I could find for Seychelles is SC (SY is Syria...), but I suppose SY must be used somewhere, even though it makes very little sense as an abbreviation.

Thanks for the blog, Eileen and the rest of you, and to the gone but not forgotten Quantum!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Much surprised by this &#8211; pulled a clean puzzle off the pile to hopefully soothe the frustration of the last few I&#8217;ve worked on (which may or may not have been this week&#8217;s), and worked through it pretty smoothly, only needing to look up the many definitions of &#8220;cob&#8221;, as soon as I saw &#8220;corylus spp.&#8221; it was easy.  What really surprised me waas when I looked at the print date and saw it was a Friday puzzle.  The grauniad really should try harder to have the difficulty increase from M &#8211; F to peak at the prize on Sa.  Although with cryptics &#8220;difficulty&#8221; is very hard to quantify, due to varying specialized knowledge of solvers.</p>
<p>&#8220;Tarn&#8221; and &#8220;aril&#8221; are both very common in simple crosswords, and as I used to do a lot of them those were easy.  13 was fine by me, as was 18 &#8211; once cracked, they make a sort of Araucarian sense, not so much Ximenian.  Of course the route from &#8220;ubiquitous&#8221; to &#8220;popular&#8221; is not one of synonymity, but the other direction is.</p>
<p>Although I &#8220;happily&#8221; filled in SYNERGY, all I could find for Seychelles is SC (SY is Syria&#8230;), but I suppose SY must be used somewhere, even though it makes very little sense as an abbreviation.</p>
<p>Thanks for the blog, Eileen and the rest of you, and to the gone but not forgotten Quantum!</p>
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		<title>By: Carrots</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carrots</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jan 2011 23:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[After basking in the glow of a personal all time best (three sips out of half-pinta to see it done and dusted) I read, with sinking heart, all of the foregoing. Alas, poor Quantum...I knew him (as) a fellow of excellent jest and most excellent fancy.

But, with Murray poised to join our conquering heroes down under, (who would have scorned the need of a TWELFTH MAN), it ain`t all bad.

Then there`s tomorrow. I`m not sure what crossword hooligans are supposed to wear, but if K`s Dad is ironing his best shirt, I think I`ll settle for a quilted smoking jacket and fez. I just hope I don`t get legless and lose the dammned Chihuaua.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After basking in the glow of a personal all time best (three sips out of half-pinta to see it done and dusted) I read, with sinking heart, all of the foregoing. Alas, poor Quantum&#8230;I knew him (as) a fellow of excellent jest and most excellent fancy.</p>
<p>But, with Murray poised to join our conquering heroes down under, (who would have scorned the need of a TWELFTH MAN), it ain`t all bad.</p>
<p>Then there`s tomorrow. I`m not sure what crossword hooligans are supposed to wear, but if K`s Dad is ironing his best shirt, I think I`ll settle for a quilted smoking jacket and fez. I just hope I don`t get legless and lose the dammned Chihuaua.</p>
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		<title>By: PeeDee</title>
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		<dc:creator>PeeDee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jan 2011 22:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you Eileen, and +1 to the &#039;mediocre crossword&#039; comments.  I look forward to something better on Fridays.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Eileen, and +1 to the &#8216;mediocre crossword&#8217; comments.  I look forward to something better on Fridays.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Beaver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr Beaver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jan 2011 22:09:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, I don&#039;t care if nobody else liked it - we were just grateful to have a crossword we could actually finish after a week of stinkers.  So, thank you to the shade of Quantum for that !]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I don&#8217;t care if nobody else liked it &#8211; we were just grateful to have a crossword we could actually finish after a week of stinkers.  So, thank you to the shade of Quantum for that !</p>
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		<title>By: Sil van den Hoek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sil van den Hoek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jan 2011 21:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A while ago I decided to let Quantums crosswords pass me by, for the same reason that I don&#039;t do Rovers anymore.
[which is probably not completely fair to them - but their posthumous puzzles do not justify any special attention, IMO]

So why this post?
To live up to KD&#039;s expectations @21? :)

Well, I&#039;m always reading the discussions, and was rather intrigued by the TWELFTH MAN debate. So I looked at the clue and thought about it.

Maybe I got it wrong but I read it slightly different from what I&#039;ve seen so far.
&quot;One less than this number&quot; surely refers to &quot;13&quot;.
Hence, I read it as &quot;One, less than nr 13&quot; = &quot;One, being nr 12&quot; = &quot;twelfth man&quot;.
The second part, &quot;one does not get to bat&quot;, must be the definition.
I don&#039;t know anything about cricket [I see Men in White, running up and down for days and days], but Anthony Lewis&#039;s WordWeb (part of Crossword Compiler) tells us &quot;(cricket) a designated substitute player; he may field but not bat or bowl&quot;. Yes, I know, it&#039;s not Chambers or Collins, but still.

I am more into that other sport with the somewhat bigger ball (a round one, not oval), and in that sport in Holland, there is an expression called &quot;the twelfth man&quot;. Meaning: the crowd (to give the players just thát bit extra). 
Maybe it&#039;s like that in the UK too, maybe not.

Anyway, hope to see a lot of you tomorrow.
(hope that I will find a way to get out of bed on time, too :))]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A while ago I decided to let Quantums crosswords pass me by, for the same reason that I don&#8217;t do Rovers anymore.<br />
[which is probably not completely fair to them - but their posthumous puzzles do not justify any special attention, IMO]</p>
<p>So why this post?<br />
To live up to KD&#8217;s expectations @21? <img src='http://www.fifteensquared.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Well, I&#8217;m always reading the discussions, and was rather intrigued by the TWELFTH MAN debate. So I looked at the clue and thought about it.</p>
<p>Maybe I got it wrong but I read it slightly different from what I&#8217;ve seen so far.<br />
&#8220;One less than this number&#8221; surely refers to &#8220;13&#8243;.<br />
Hence, I read it as &#8220;One, less than nr 13&#8243; = &#8220;One, being nr 12&#8243; = &#8220;twelfth man&#8221;.<br />
The second part, &#8220;one does not get to bat&#8221;, must be the definition.<br />
I don&#8217;t know anything about cricket [I see Men in White, running up and down for days and days], but Anthony Lewis&#8217;s WordWeb (part of Crossword Compiler) tells us &#8220;(cricket) a designated substitute player; he may field but not bat or bowl&#8221;. Yes, I know, it&#8217;s not Chambers or Collins, but still.</p>
<p>I am more into that other sport with the somewhat bigger ball (a round one, not oval), and in that sport in Holland, there is an expression called &#8220;the twelfth man&#8221;. Meaning: the crowd (to give the players just thát bit extra).<br />
Maybe it&#8217;s like that in the UK too, maybe not.</p>
<p>Anyway, hope to see a lot of you tomorrow.<br />
(hope that I will find a way to get out of bed on time, too <img src='http://www.fifteensquared.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> )</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Lazenby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek Lazenby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jan 2011 19:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh OK then. Dang and I so bored and looking forward to an argument!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh OK then. Dang and I so bored and looking forward to an argument!</p>
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		<title>By: Robi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jan 2011 19:25:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Eileen, we crossed! :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eileen, we crossed! <img src='http://www.fifteensquared.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Robi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jan 2011 19:24:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Derek, I thought celebrity was the definition with BIG=substantial and WIG=cover :) 

Been rather delayed by Andy Murray and my grandson. 

Thanks Eileen, I thought it was an OK puzzle. Thought that 16 was &#039;home turf&#039; until the crossing letters made that impossible.

As others have said, I assumed 13 meant that twelfth was one less than the thirteenth clue number.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Derek, I thought celebrity was the definition with BIG=substantial and WIG=cover <img src='http://www.fifteensquared.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>Been rather delayed by Andy Murray and my grandson. </p>
<p>Thanks Eileen, I thought it was an OK puzzle. Thought that 16 was &#8216;home turf&#8217; until the crossing letters made that impossible.</p>
<p>As others have said, I assumed 13 meant that twelfth was one less than the thirteenth clue number.</p>
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		<title>By: Eileen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eileen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jan 2011 19:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re absolutely right, Derek, that it&#039;s a charade. That was sloppy blogging, for which I apologise.

However, my reading is: 
definition: celebrity; wordplay: BIG [substantial] + WIG [cover in court].]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re absolutely right, Derek, that it&#8217;s a charade. That was sloppy blogging, for which I apologise.</p>
<p>However, my reading is:<br />
definition: celebrity; wordplay: BIG [substantial] + WIG [cover in court].</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Lazenby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek Lazenby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jan 2011 18:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well easy it may have been, but that didn&#039;t stop the class dummy finishing a few short.

Can&#039;t agree that 22a is a cd, its a charade of BIG (celebrity) and WIG (substantial cover).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well easy it may have been, but that didn&#8217;t stop the class dummy finishing a few short.</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t agree that 22a is a cd, its a charade of BIG (celebrity) and WIG (substantial cover).</p>
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