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	<title>Comments on: Guardian 25,261 / Paul</title>
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		<title>By: Davy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Davy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Mar 2011 09:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not many people know this but a half-loaf is the time it takes for a loaf to reduce to half its size. Was this worth saying...probably not. Good puzzle by the way which I finished yesterday. Had a good laugh at TYPIST which is typical Paul. Now to finish off that Araucaria from about two weeks ago.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not many people know this but a half-loaf is the time it takes for a loaf to reduce to half its size. Was this worth saying&#8230;probably not. Good puzzle by the way which I finished yesterday. Had a good laugh at TYPIST which is typical Paul. Now to finish off that Araucaria from about two weeks ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Dynamic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dynamic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Mar 2011 08:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very late to this having had a busy time with little crosswording. I usually breeze through midweek Paul crosswords surprisingly quickly but found this hard going though still enjoyable. Knowing little about the game played by men with odd shaped balls, or fish food, I struggled after a promising start with the &quot;fuddled&quot; duo, feeling like a fluent non-native or perhaps one of BigDave&#039;s Telegraph regulars who doesn&#039;t &#039;get&#039; cricket, though I felt I&#039;d heard of all the terms without much idea what many of them mean. Found enough checking letters to get me to most of the positions, once the hooker had got me started, and had enough wordplay to unravel the rest. Half-loaf - now common on the supermarket shelves - took me ages and I never understood REAR until I came here, having dismissed bottom=last letter in an across clue when ARSE didn&#039;t work out. I did find it amusing, however, but more of a struggle than I expected - probably my frame of mind.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very late to this having had a busy time with little crosswording. I usually breeze through midweek Paul crosswords surprisingly quickly but found this hard going though still enjoyable. Knowing little about the game played by men with odd shaped balls, or fish food, I struggled after a promising start with the &#8220;fuddled&#8221; duo, feeling like a fluent non-native or perhaps one of BigDave&#8217;s Telegraph regulars who doesn&#8217;t &#8216;get&#8217; cricket, though I felt I&#8217;d heard of all the terms without much idea what many of them mean. Found enough checking letters to get me to most of the positions, once the hooker had got me started, and had enough wordplay to unravel the rest. Half-loaf &#8211; now common on the supermarket shelves &#8211; took me ages and I never understood REAR until I came here, having dismissed bottom=last letter in an across clue when ARSE didn&#8217;t work out. I did find it amusing, however, but more of a struggle than I expected &#8211; probably my frame of mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Huw Powell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Huw Powell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Mar 2011 04:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very interesting puzzle - and let me say first, over time I have grown to look forward to Paul more with each of his offerings, and this was yet another in that trend.

However.  Some kinds of themed puzzles straddle a dangerous divide between &quot;very easy&quot; and &quot;very difficult&quot;.  The very easy is partly if one is quite familiar with the topic - as some above seemed to be in this case - and partly if one is terribly unfamiliar (as I), but figures out what to research.  Once I had noticed &quot;position&quot; all over the place, I figured it wasn&#039;t an anagrind but a theme, and made a &quot;note to self&quot; to dig out the WP diagram of cricket positions.  Then either the Hs in HARRUMPH or LEFT WING made me look up RU, and right there was a diagram with five answers laid out for all to see.  Then I could almost solve clues by matching letter counts!

Very hard of course is if one is unfamiliar and does not have resources available (or prefers to work without them).  The last obviously comparable puzzle I remember was the one filled with WW2 airplanes (I found a list that included all but one on the &#039;net, of course).

But I must say this for Paul - provided one was willing to enter some rather strange solutions, I do believe in hindsight, and with some light analysis, that all the themed clues were truly possible to solve correctly from the wordplay and checked letters.

Combining the above with some fairly easy clues and some hilariously devious and creative ones made for a very admirable puzzle, in my final opinion.

So thanks for the blog, mhl, although I didn&#039;t &quot;need&quot; it in the sense that I managed parse all the wordplays along the way, and for the puzzle, Paul, please keep straining for the boundaries!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting puzzle &#8211; and let me say first, over time I have grown to look forward to Paul more with each of his offerings, and this was yet another in that trend.</p>
<p>However.  Some kinds of themed puzzles straddle a dangerous divide between &#8220;very easy&#8221; and &#8220;very difficult&#8221;.  The very easy is partly if one is quite familiar with the topic &#8211; as some above seemed to be in this case &#8211; and partly if one is terribly unfamiliar (as I), but figures out what to research.  Once I had noticed &#8220;position&#8221; all over the place, I figured it wasn&#8217;t an anagrind but a theme, and made a &#8220;note to self&#8221; to dig out the WP diagram of cricket positions.  Then either the Hs in HARRUMPH or LEFT WING made me look up RU, and right there was a diagram with five answers laid out for all to see.  Then I could almost solve clues by matching letter counts!</p>
<p>Very hard of course is if one is unfamiliar and does not have resources available (or prefers to work without them).  The last obviously comparable puzzle I remember was the one filled with WW2 airplanes (I found a list that included all but one on the &#8216;net, of course).</p>
<p>But I must say this for Paul &#8211; provided one was willing to enter some rather strange solutions, I do believe in hindsight, and with some light analysis, that all the themed clues were truly possible to solve correctly from the wordplay and checked letters.</p>
<p>Combining the above with some fairly easy clues and some hilariously devious and creative ones made for a very admirable puzzle, in my final opinion.</p>
<p>So thanks for the blog, mhl, although I didn&#8217;t &#8220;need&#8221; it in the sense that I managed parse all the wordplays along the way, and for the puzzle, Paul, please keep straining for the boundaries!</p>
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		<title>By: tupu</title>
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		<dc:creator>tupu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Mar 2011 08:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Carrots
Sorry if my comment raised expectations but I regret bookings are now closed!. :) &#039;Down upsy!&#039; as one of old radio comics used to say!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Carrots<br />
Sorry if my comment raised expectations but I regret bookings are now closed!. <img src='http://www.fifteensquared.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  &#8216;Down upsy!&#8217; as one of old radio comics used to say!</p>
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		<title>By: Carrots</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carrots</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Mar 2011 00:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hie thee to tupu`s nunnery, where, apparently, friars and monks are admitted. If I can get the address out of him, I`ll book in for an adventure holiday. My pathetic performance on this puzzle (about half done) is a sad reflection, not on me, but my erstwhile games master, who was a cross between Torquemada and The Sad Marquis.

Oddly enough, I do like watching Rugby, although with the sound off because the commentators remind me of that awful monster who, all those years ago, insisted that I play it. So I never learnt the positions which formed the key theme of this puzzle. So, sorry Paul, I`ve let you down: from mhl`s blog, I`m sure that it was every bit as wicked, clever and devious as your arcane self. Keep `em coming, kid, I`ll murder the next one!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hie thee to tupu`s nunnery, where, apparently, friars and monks are admitted. If I can get the address out of him, I`ll book in for an adventure holiday. My pathetic performance on this puzzle (about half done) is a sad reflection, not on me, but my erstwhile games master, who was a cross between Torquemada and The Sad Marquis.</p>
<p>Oddly enough, I do like watching Rugby, although with the sound off because the commentators remind me of that awful monster who, all those years ago, insisted that I play it. So I never learnt the positions which formed the key theme of this puzzle. So, sorry Paul, I`ve let you down: from mhl`s blog, I`m sure that it was every bit as wicked, clever and devious as your arcane self. Keep `em coming, kid, I`ll murder the next one!</p>
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		<title>By: Paul (not Paul)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul (not Paul)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Mar 2011 22:34:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Position gn was one of the first that I got...which just goes to show.

Failed to get half-loaf which isn&#039;t an expression that I know unless it is utterly literal, in which case I&#039;m being a bit dense.

Paul is still consistently my favourite and rewards plugging away when it gets tough.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Position gn was one of the first that I got&#8230;which just goes to show.</p>
<p>Failed to get half-loaf which isn&#8217;t an expression that I know unless it is utterly literal, in which case I&#8217;m being a bit dense.</p>
<p>Paul is still consistently my favourite and rewards plugging away when it gets tough.</p>
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		<title>By: Sil van den Hoek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sil van den Hoek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Mar 2011 21:33:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, ray, I agree with you.
&#039;tse&#039; would indeed have been better.
Much better - and I would have liked it, too.
Unlike &#039;gn&#039;, unfortunately.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, ray, I agree with you.<br />
&#8216;tse&#8217; would indeed have been better.<br />
Much better &#8211; and I would have liked it, too.<br />
Unlike &#8216;gn&#8217;, unfortunately.</p>
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		<title>By: ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Mar 2011 21:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Loved 18a when the penny dropped.  Position tse? might have been a more &#039;accurate&#039; version though.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Loved 18a when the penny dropped.  Position tse? might have been a more &#8216;accurate&#8217; version though.</p>
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		<title>By: Sil van den Hoek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sil van den Hoek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Mar 2011 21:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let&#039;s start with Andrew (#2): &quot;not too hard even if you’re not intimately familiar with rugby positions&quot;.
He is right: we even found LOOSEHEAD PROP from the wordplay, although we haven&#039;t got a clue what he/she/it might be.

But Andrew also said: &quot;My only quibble would be that a potable ball isn’t necessarily an easy one, just one that is possible to pot&quot; supported by Eileen et al.
Some commenters above (like Duncan @9 and robi @14) like/try to justify the missing T - probably because they do not want to harm Our Hero that much.
But let&#039;s face it: it is a mistake.
No problem with that, because we all make mistakes.
Therefore I don&#039;t see the point in trying to find a justification for that. 

We did like the crossword.
My PinC more than I did, maybe due to the theme [I&#039;m more, just like the much missed Rightback, &quot;into round than into oval&quot;] but perhaps also because I found the clueing less &#039;open&#039; than usual with a Paul - whatever that means :).

Unlike Eileen (and others) I háve seen the reversal of two animals in TACKLE before - so after the K was in place, I got it.

And even if I do not like clues like 18d (with the &#039;gn&#039;) at all [although my PinC found it Araucarian], the overall verdict is as always positive.

My favourite clue is probably HALF-LOAF - great surface.
And HYTHE is a very good one too.

Not so enthusiastic about the smuttiness of 10ac and 6d.
I am beyond that nowadays.
It does raise a smile, but ...

Thanks Paul &amp; mhl.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s start with Andrew (#2): &#8220;not too hard even if you’re not intimately familiar with rugby positions&#8221;.<br />
He is right: we even found LOOSEHEAD PROP from the wordplay, although we haven&#8217;t got a clue what he/she/it might be.</p>
<p>But Andrew also said: &#8220;My only quibble would be that a potable ball isn’t necessarily an easy one, just one that is possible to pot&#8221; supported by Eileen et al.<br />
Some commenters above (like Duncan @9 and robi @14) like/try to justify the missing T &#8211; probably because they do not want to harm Our Hero that much.<br />
But let&#8217;s face it: it is a mistake.<br />
No problem with that, because we all make mistakes.<br />
Therefore I don&#8217;t see the point in trying to find a justification for that. </p>
<p>We did like the crossword.<br />
My PinC more than I did, maybe due to the theme [I'm more, just like the much missed Rightback, "into round than into oval"] but perhaps also because I found the clueing less &#8216;open&#8217; than usual with a Paul &#8211; whatever that means <img src='http://www.fifteensquared.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
<p>Unlike Eileen (and others) I háve seen the reversal of two animals in TACKLE before &#8211; so after the K was in place, I got it.</p>
<p>And even if I do not like clues like 18d (with the &#8216;gn&#8217;) at all [although my PinC found it Araucarian], the overall verdict is as always positive.</p>
<p>My favourite clue is probably HALF-LOAF &#8211; great surface.<br />
And HYTHE is a very good one too.</p>
<p>Not so enthusiastic about the smuttiness of 10ac and 6d.<br />
I am beyond that nowadays.<br />
It does raise a smile, but &#8230;</p>
<p>Thanks Paul &amp; mhl.</p>
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		<title>By: grandpuzzler</title>
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		<dc:creator>grandpuzzler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Mar 2011 19:44:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks mhl and Paul.  Slow-going until I saw the rugby theme.  Love 11ac.  Learned a new word:  Dai.  Now I can return to Boatman.

Cheers...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks mhl and Paul.  Slow-going until I saw the rugby theme.  Love 11ac.  Learned a new word:  Dai.  Now I can return to Boatman.</p>
<p>Cheers&#8230;</p>
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