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		<title>By: tupu</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2011/04/07/guardian-25290-brendan/#comment-156214</link>
		<dc:creator>tupu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Apr 2011 16:14:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Roger

Many thanks for the kind thoughts. Sounds a bit ominous though!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Roger</p>
<p>Many thanks for the kind thoughts. Sounds a bit ominous though!</p>
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		<title>By: Roger</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2011/04/07/guardian-25290-brendan/#comment-156145</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Apr 2011 14:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re @ 41 ...If anyone is remotely interested, 15d could have been CROWS if it wasn&#039;t pointless (= CROW) with a cock up (above) (= COCKCROW) ... 17 hours of nothingness rather suggests that no one is. (Only trying to get tupu something to go with his &#039;murder&#039; !)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re @ 41 &#8230;If anyone is remotely interested, 15d could have been CROWS if it wasn&#8217;t pointless (= CROW) with a cock up (above) (= COCKCROW) &#8230; 17 hours of nothingness rather suggests that no one is. (Only trying to get tupu something to go with his &#8216;murder&#8217; !)</p>
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		<title>By: Roger</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2011/04/07/guardian-25290-brendan/#comment-156101</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Apr 2011 20:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks mhl ... great puzzle, wasn&#039;t it. Only knew the non-American &lt;i&gt;aeolian&lt;/i&gt;, as in &lt;a href=&quot;//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeolian_harp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this harp&lt;/a&gt;. (Our overhead phone lines often whistle cheerily when the wind is right !) The alternative routes to 13,17 were very clever. Thanks for all the fun Brendan.

Tupu @7 ... we would have a murder of crows if 15d wasn&#039;t a pointless cock-up, if you see what I mean !]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks mhl &#8230; great puzzle, wasn&#8217;t it. Only knew the non-American <i>aeolian</i>, as in <a href="//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeolian_harp" rel="nofollow">this harp</a>. (Our overhead phone lines often whistle cheerily when the wind is right !) The alternative routes to 13,17 were very clever. Thanks for all the fun Brendan.</p>
<p>Tupu @7 &#8230; we would have a murder of crows if 15d wasn&#8217;t a pointless cock-up, if you see what I mean !</p>
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		<title>By: Eileen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eileen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Apr 2011 20:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Geoff, Monk, Andrew, mhl and anyone else interested, since it&#039;s surely now late enough to go a little off-topic

Geoff: I meant to say as a preamble - and link - that market signs are not the best way to learn a foreign language!

Monk: many thanks for the story! I have experienced the same blank stares from sixth form college students, who were often wanting to insert apostrophes in verbs, too: once we started on the apostrophe, they tended to sprinkle them around like confetti. [I have to confess to a rather similar cavalier attitude to Greek accents at University!]. I had a colleague who threatened to teach her students to abandon the apostrophe altogether, on the grounds that sins of commission were far more frequent - and worse - than sins of omission. I was often sorely tempted to take her up on it.

Geoff, re the Italian connection, I think the most annoying / amusing thing at the moment, on both counts, is &#039;pannini&#039;s&#039; :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Geoff, Monk, Andrew, mhl and anyone else interested, since it&#8217;s surely now late enough to go a little off-topic</p>
<p>Geoff: I meant to say as a preamble &#8211; and link &#8211; that market signs are not the best way to learn a foreign language!</p>
<p>Monk: many thanks for the story! I have experienced the same blank stares from sixth form college students, who were often wanting to insert apostrophes in verbs, too: once we started on the apostrophe, they tended to sprinkle them around like confetti. [I have to confess to a rather similar cavalier attitude to Greek accents at University!]. I had a colleague who threatened to teach her students to abandon the apostrophe altogether, on the grounds that sins of commission were far more frequent &#8211; and worse &#8211; than sins of omission. I was often sorely tempted to take her up on it.</p>
<p>Geoff, re the Italian connection, I think the most annoying / amusing thing at the moment, on both counts, is &#8216;pannini&#8217;s&#8217; <img src='http://www.fifteensquared.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Geoff</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Apr 2011 19:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Monk, Eileen, Andrew et al

I little thought that a remark about the correct plural of &#039;euro&#039; would initiate a correspondence about the greengrocer&#039;s (greengrocers&#039;?) apostrophe!

Perhaps the original concept of the word being unchanged in the plural was following Italian practice.  Italian words like &#039;foto&#039; and &#039;auto&#039; do not change in the plural because they are abbreviations.  The full forms do change: fotografia - fotografie, automobile - automobili. &#039;Euro&#039; is presumably an abbreviation of &#039;European currency unit&#039;, or its equivalent in other languages. &#039;Ecu&#039; had already been used for a virtual precursor to the euro.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Monk, Eileen, Andrew et al</p>
<p>I little thought that a remark about the correct plural of &#8216;euro&#8217; would initiate a correspondence about the greengrocer&#8217;s (greengrocers&#8217;?) apostrophe!</p>
<p>Perhaps the original concept of the word being unchanged in the plural was following Italian practice.  Italian words like &#8216;foto&#8217; and &#8216;auto&#8217; do not change in the plural because they are abbreviations.  The full forms do change: fotografia &#8211; fotografie, automobile &#8211; automobili. &#8216;Euro&#8217; is presumably an abbreviation of &#8216;European currency unit&#8217;, or its equivalent in other languages. &#8216;Ecu&#8217; had already been used for a virtual precursor to the euro.</p>
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		<title>By: Monk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Apr 2011 19:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Eileen @24 and Andrew @26

The details are hazy now, but some years ago (I&#039;ll bet there&#039;s a reader who has the reference and the exact details), Viz comic published in their (spoof) &quot;Letters to the Editor&quot; pages a picture of a (real, UK) shoe shop in whose window was written the caption &quot;&lt;i&gt;Slipper&#039;s £5&lt;/i&gt;&quot;. This photo elicited an entirely credible indignant letter from Mr X pointing out that &quot;&lt;i&gt;Clearly, the sign indicated that a pair of slippers in the shop were the owners of £5&lt;/i&gt;&quot;. Immediately below that letter appeared (something like) the equally indignant reply &quot;&lt;i&gt;I wish to challenge the point made by Mr X (Letters Page, &lt;b&gt;this issue&lt;/b&gt;), because clearly the location of the apostrophe reveals that only &lt;b&gt;one&lt;/b&gt; slipper of the pair owns the £5&lt;/i&gt;&quot;. At the time, my friends and I laughed heartily at this; when I recently related it to some undergraduates, they looked at me in the vein of goldfish waiting to be fed. Perhaps it&#039;s because their App&#039;s :) do it for them now ...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Eileen @24 and Andrew @26</p>
<p>The details are hazy now, but some years ago (I&#8217;ll bet there&#8217;s a reader who has the reference and the exact details), Viz comic published in their (spoof) &#8220;Letters to the Editor&#8221; pages a picture of a (real, UK) shoe shop in whose window was written the caption &#8220;<i>Slipper&#8217;s £5</i>&#8220;. This photo elicited an entirely credible indignant letter from Mr X pointing out that &#8220;<i>Clearly, the sign indicated that a pair of slippers in the shop were the owners of £5</i>&#8220;. Immediately below that letter appeared (something like) the equally indignant reply &#8220;<i>I wish to challenge the point made by Mr X (Letters Page, <b>this issue</b>), because clearly the location of the apostrophe reveals that only <b>one</b> slipper of the pair owns the £5</i>&#8220;. At the time, my friends and I laughed heartily at this; when I recently related it to some undergraduates, they looked at me in the vein of goldfish waiting to be fed. Perhaps it&#8217;s because their App&#8217;s <img src='http://www.fifteensquared.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  do it for them now &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: otter</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Apr 2011 17:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Gaufrid. My first attempt at a link (oops). No more off topic stuff from me today. Thanks, both of you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Gaufrid. My first attempt at a link (oops). No more off topic stuff from me today. Thanks, both of you.</p>
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		<title>By: Gaufrid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gaufrid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Apr 2011 16:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi otter
Your original comment was intercepted by the spam filter. I have now recovered it (#32).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi otter<br />
Your original comment was intercepted by the spam filter. I have now recovered it (#32).</p>
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		<title>By: mhl</title>
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		<dc:creator>mhl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Apr 2011 16:35:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[otter: sorry, I&#039;m afraid that sometimes genuine comments with links are classified as spam, so I haven&#039;t seen your reply.  If you&#039;re mentioning the mobipocket ebook, it won&#039;t work on a Kindle due to DRM (despite Amazon actually &lt;em&gt;owning&lt;/em&gt; mobipocket since 2005) and it&#039;s too old an edition for Azed nowadays anyway.  The CDROM version is Windows only, AFAIK.

This is straying rather off-topic (entirely my fault - sorry, Gaufrid) so if you&#039;re going to reply, perhaps you could do so &lt;a href=&quot;http://fifteensquared.net/general-discussion/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>otter: sorry, I&#8217;m afraid that sometimes genuine comments with links are classified as spam, so I haven&#8217;t seen your reply.  If you&#8217;re mentioning the mobipocket ebook, it won&#8217;t work on a Kindle due to DRM (despite Amazon actually <em>owning</em> mobipocket since 2005) and it&#8217;s too old an edition for Azed nowadays anyway.  The CDROM version is Windows only, AFAIK.</p>
<p>This is straying rather off-topic (entirely my fault &#8211; sorry, Gaufrid) so if you&#8217;re going to reply, perhaps you could do so <a href="http://fifteensquared.net/general-discussion/" rel="nofollow">here</a>?</p>
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		<title>By: liz</title>
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		<dc:creator>liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Apr 2011 16:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[mhl, Eileen and Andrew: 

I read this recently in a newsletter issued a firm of accountants: &#039;Our clients range from global companies to author&#039;s to inventor&#039;s.&#039;

Greengrocer&#039;s apostrophe is everywhere these days!

Thanks for the link&#039;s, mhl :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mhl, Eileen and Andrew: </p>
<p>I read this recently in a newsletter issued a firm of accountants: &#8216;Our clients range from global companies to author&#8217;s to inventor&#8217;s.&#8217;</p>
<p>Greengrocer&#8217;s apostrophe is everywhere these days!</p>
<p>Thanks for the link&#8217;s, mhl <img src='http://www.fifteensquared.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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