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		<title>By: rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 May 2011 21:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tricky - I had never heard of 16ac but had to guess. 
1dn was too obscure so had to google.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tricky &#8211; I had never heard of 16ac but had to guess.<br />
1dn was too obscure so had to google.</p>
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		<title>By: Huw Powell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Huw Powell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Apr 2011 22:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[An odd little puzzle - I rolled pretty steadily and quickly through the NW, NE, and SW corners, although I had to use whiteout to get from PRIME to FIRST, and left DONG pencilled in.  Then the SE was just a head-scratcher.  ROLL-ON, NO-GO AREA and ON A PLATE were left in pencil, for various reasons.  FUENGIROLA was unsolvable unless you had heard of the place - or got very lucky placing random vowels in the holes (or searched OneLook like I did using the checked letters...).

Bamberger @5, the &quot;one who&#039;s learning&quot; part is just the clue for the L, &quot;with little effort&quot; is the definition, so your first phrase is what is meant, not the latter.

Now on to DONG/GONG... I assume the published answer is GONG.  But there is just something wrong with this clue.  &quot;Bell&quot; is the definition (not &quot;Bell sounding&quot; = DONG...) of course.  So we have to figure out how &quot;sounding i must leave&quot; can be the wordplay.  If a meaning of &quot;sounding&quot; was &quot;going&quot; it would be fine, I guess. 

So I surely appreciate the blog, Lorraine, thank you!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An odd little puzzle &#8211; I rolled pretty steadily and quickly through the NW, NE, and SW corners, although I had to use whiteout to get from PRIME to FIRST, and left DONG pencilled in.  Then the SE was just a head-scratcher.  ROLL-ON, NO-GO AREA and ON A PLATE were left in pencil, for various reasons.  FUENGIROLA was unsolvable unless you had heard of the place &#8211; or got very lucky placing random vowels in the holes (or searched OneLook like I did using the checked letters&#8230;).</p>
<p>Bamberger @5, the &#8220;one who&#8217;s learning&#8221; part is just the clue for the L, &#8220;with little effort&#8221; is the definition, so your first phrase is what is meant, not the latter.</p>
<p>Now on to DONG/GONG&#8230; I assume the published answer is GONG.  But there is just something wrong with this clue.  &#8220;Bell&#8221; is the definition (not &#8220;Bell sounding&#8221; = DONG&#8230;) of course.  So we have to figure out how &#8220;sounding i must leave&#8221; can be the wordplay.  If a meaning of &#8220;sounding&#8221; was &#8220;going&#8221; it would be fine, I guess. </p>
<p>So I surely appreciate the blog, Lorraine, thank you!</p>
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		<title>By: Sil van den Hoek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sil van den Hoek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Apr 2011 12:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Robi @11, that more or less explains the first part of the clue, but I still don&#039;t see where &quot;I must leave&quot; comes in.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robi @11, that more or less explains the first part of the clue, but I still don&#8217;t see where &#8220;I must leave&#8221; comes in.</p>
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		<title>By: Robi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Apr 2011 08:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sil @10, the solution is definitely gong. In my Chambers, it is also listed as a transitive verb meaning: &#039;to summon, or call upon to stop, by sounding a gong.&#039;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sil @10, the solution is definitely gong. In my Chambers, it is also listed as a transitive verb meaning: &#8216;to summon, or call upon to stop, by sounding a gong.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Sil van den Hoek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sil van den Hoek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Apr 2011 19:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Lorraine, I&#039;m still puzzled by 15ac&#039;s GONG.

Just like you, I see something like &quot;I leaving GOING&quot;, but that&#039;s surely nót what the clue tells me.
The answer (must be: GONG) is only defined here as &quot;Bell&quot;, I guess? 
According to the dictionaries, I can&#039;t find &quot;Bell sounding&quot; being GONG. 
Or is there an expression that one is going when the bell&#039;s sounding?
Or do I miss something?
Or is it DONG .... ? :)
Very unusual for me to have a &#039;problem&#039; like this with an Everyman clue.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Lorraine, I&#8217;m still puzzled by 15ac&#8217;s GONG.</p>
<p>Just like you, I see something like &#8220;I leaving GOING&#8221;, but that&#8217;s surely nót what the clue tells me.<br />
The answer (must be: GONG) is only defined here as &#8220;Bell&#8221;, I guess?<br />
According to the dictionaries, I can&#8217;t find &#8220;Bell sounding&#8221; being GONG.<br />
Or is there an expression that one is going when the bell&#8217;s sounding?<br />
Or do I miss something?<br />
Or is it DONG &#8230;. ? <img src='http://www.fifteensquared.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Very unusual for me to have a &#8216;problem&#8217; like this with an Everyman clue.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathryn's Dad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathryn's Dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Apr 2011 11:30:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wolfie at no 7: that is too much detail for a Sunday, but thank you for making me laugh.

Robi at no 8: but where would cryptic setters be without cricket? ON, OFF, LEG, SLIP, GULLY, OVER, EXTRA COVER, POINT, STUMP, BAIL, CREASE, RUN, MAIDEN ...  You&#039;re right, Mr Fredericks is a bit obscure, but I for one will forgive it because the surface must have been irresistible.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wolfie at no 7: that is too much detail for a Sunday, but thank you for making me laugh.</p>
<p>Robi at no 8: but where would cryptic setters be without cricket? ON, OFF, LEG, SLIP, GULLY, OVER, EXTRA COVER, POINT, STUMP, BAIL, CREASE, RUN, MAIDEN &#8230;  You&#8217;re right, Mr Fredericks is a bit obscure, but I for one will forgive it because the surface must have been irresistible.</p>
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		<title>By: Robi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Apr 2011 10:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nice puzzle and thanks to Lorraine for the good blog.

I suppose 1 had to involve cricket because of the gully reference. I do, however, get a bit fed-up by many setters being cricket-centric. A much more famous Fredericks is the Namibian athlete,  &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankie_Fredericks&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Frankie Fredericks&lt;/a&gt;, and thus I thought the clue would probably refer to Namibia or somesuch. You need to get to page 4 of a Google &#039;Fredericks&#039; search before getting to Roy (the most famous reference seems to be to a lingerie chain in Hollywood!)  

Re 5a, I think Lorraine&#039;s first parsing seems to be correct. Nice anagram for ENTERTAINMENT; and I liked TOGETHER.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice puzzle and thanks to Lorraine for the good blog.</p>
<p>I suppose 1 had to involve cricket because of the gully reference. I do, however, get a bit fed-up by many setters being cricket-centric. A much more famous Fredericks is the Namibian athlete,  <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankie_Fredericks" rel="nofollow">Frankie Fredericks</a>, and thus I thought the clue would probably refer to Namibia or somesuch. You need to get to page 4 of a Google &#8216;Fredericks&#8217; search before getting to Roy (the most famous reference seems to be to a lingerie chain in Hollywood!)  </p>
<p>Re 5a, I think Lorraine&#8217;s first parsing seems to be correct. Nice anagram for ENTERTAINMENT; and I liked TOGETHER.</p>
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		<title>By: Wolfie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wolfie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Apr 2011 09:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bamberger @5: I remember my mother owning a &#039;roll-on&#039; corset - that would be in the 1950s.  I believe it was made of some sort of heavy rubberised fabric and after being rolled-on it would compensate for lack of abdominal muscle tone.  My little brother and I used to quarrel about who should wear it (as part of a suit of armour) while playing at knights of the round table.  Neither of us grew up to be a transvestite however.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bamberger @5: I remember my mother owning a &#8216;roll-on&#8217; corset &#8211; that would be in the 1950s.  I believe it was made of some sort of heavy rubberised fabric and after being rolled-on it would compensate for lack of abdominal muscle tone.  My little brother and I used to quarrel about who should wear it (as part of a suit of armour) while playing at knights of the round table.  Neither of us grew up to be a transvestite however.</p>
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		<title>By: The Trafites</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Trafites</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Apr 2011 08:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[crosser @ #1 - there are links in the blog, i.e. if you click on the name &#039;Roy&#039; in 1dn, it will take you to the wiki page on Mr. Fredericks.  Perhaps I should emphasis the hyper-links to make them more visible.

As to 14dn and &#039;GO&#039;, Chambers lists under numerous definitions of &#039;GO&#039; as &#039;to be compared or ranked with others&#039;, which when I read it, it satisfied the &#039;match=go&#039; wordplay.

Lorraine]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>crosser @ #1 &#8211; there are links in the blog, i.e. if you click on the name &#8216;Roy&#8217; in 1dn, it will take you to the wiki page on Mr. Fredericks.  Perhaps I should emphasis the hyper-links to make them more visible.</p>
<p>As to 14dn and &#8216;GO&#8217;, Chambers lists under numerous definitions of &#8216;GO&#8217; as &#8216;to be compared or ranked with others&#8217;, which when I read it, it satisfied the &#8216;match=go&#8217; wordplay.</p>
<p>Lorraine</p>
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		<title>By: bamberger</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Apr 2011 08:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I had Prime instead of First for 1a which didn&#039;t help my attempts to get 1,2 &amp; 5d. I can&#039;t imagine a more obscure clue than 1d. Never heard of Roy Fredericks or the answer. 
19a I&#039;ve heard of &quot;it was handed to him on a plate&quot; but not &quot;he finds Italian easy, it&#039;s on a plate for him&quot;
17d I have heard of roll on deodorant but not roll on underwear and the only Rollo I&#039;ve heard of is the chocolate covered toffee sweet that no one ever gives the last away.
A mixture of the easy with one or two very tough ones.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had Prime instead of First for 1a which didn&#8217;t help my attempts to get 1,2 &amp; 5d. I can&#8217;t imagine a more obscure clue than 1d. Never heard of Roy Fredericks or the answer.<br />
19a I&#8217;ve heard of &#8220;it was handed to him on a plate&#8221; but not &#8220;he finds Italian easy, it&#8217;s on a plate for him&#8221;<br />
17d I have heard of roll on deodorant but not roll on underwear and the only Rollo I&#8217;ve heard of is the chocolate covered toffee sweet that no one ever gives the last away.<br />
A mixture of the easy with one or two very tough ones.</p>
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