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		<title>By: tupu</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2011/04/26/guardian-25306-gordius-to-let/#comment-157536</link>
		<dc:creator>tupu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Apr 2011 07:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi PaulB
 
Thanks for your helpful comment as a setter on 16a. I can see clearly from it what your objections are.

However, the clue still sees acceptable to me.
Bumble, as a literary creation, may have said that the law is &#039;a ass&#039; but countless real people say &#039;an ass&#039; when using the expression.
It is otherwise only the comma after &#039;example&#039; that is misleading, but we are told regularly to avoid paying excessive attention to surface punctuation in &#039;crosswordland&#039;.

Re the quotation, I am reminded a little of the arguments about homophones that involve, in my view, too rigid a demand for exact replication of sound in the answers. &#039;It&#039;s said&#039; does not have to mean &#039;Bumble says&#039;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi PaulB</p>
<p>Thanks for your helpful comment as a setter on 16a. I can see clearly from it what your objections are.</p>
<p>However, the clue still sees acceptable to me.<br />
Bumble, as a literary creation, may have said that the law is &#8216;a ass&#8217; but countless real people say &#8216;an ass&#8217; when using the expression.<br />
It is otherwise only the comma after &#8216;example&#8217; that is misleading, but we are told regularly to avoid paying excessive attention to surface punctuation in &#8216;crosswordland&#8217;.</p>
<p>Re the quotation, I am reminded a little of the arguments about homophones that involve, in my view, too rigid a demand for exact replication of sound in the answers. &#8216;It&#8217;s said&#8217; does not have to mean &#8216;Bumble says&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 23:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Of an ass, it&#039;s said, for example, all stupid (5)

Not quite so keen on this as some other posters. First thing that strikes me is that the &#039;for example&#039; bit should indicate EG as the first two letters of the answer word. Obviously this is not the intended case, which means (as there&#039;s no inclusion-indicator) that this must be an anagram of all the parts, indirectly indicated and thus wrong.  

And if we have a quick look at the definition, unless you&#039;re feeling REALLY generous (and some of you are), this part of the clue is also not acceptable. If Gordius had used &#039;a ass&#039; (the correct form of words used by Bumble as noted above) then solvers might have been given a fighting chance despite the poor construction, but unfortunately this did not occur.

Sorry, but that is just an extremely disappointing clue - Hugh&#039;ve been had.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of an ass, it&#8217;s said, for example, all stupid (5)</p>
<p>Not quite so keen on this as some other posters. First thing that strikes me is that the &#8216;for example&#8217; bit should indicate EG as the first two letters of the answer word. Obviously this is not the intended case, which means (as there&#8217;s no inclusion-indicator) that this must be an anagram of all the parts, indirectly indicated and thus wrong.  </p>
<p>And if we have a quick look at the definition, unless you&#8217;re feeling REALLY generous (and some of you are), this part of the clue is also not acceptable. If Gordius had used &#8216;a ass&#8217; (the correct form of words used by Bumble as noted above) then solvers might have been given a fighting chance despite the poor construction, but unfortunately this did not occur.</p>
<p>Sorry, but that is just an extremely disappointing clue &#8211; Hugh&#8217;ve been had.</p>
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		<title>By: tupu</title>
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		<dc:creator>tupu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 20:46:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Roger

Thanks. Yes I realise. :) We seem to be having some rather corporal exchanges recently!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Roger</p>
<p>Thanks. Yes I realise. <img src='http://www.fifteensquared.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  We seem to be having some rather corporal exchanges recently!</p>
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		<title>By: Roger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 18:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi John ... obviously thinking along the same lines !]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi John &#8230; obviously thinking along the same lines !</p>
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		<title>By: Roger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 18:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi NeilW @4 ... 16a works fine I think ... if &lt;i&gt;The Law is an Ass&lt;/i&gt; then &#039;of an ass&#039; (the definition) would be &#039;of the law&#039; ... i.e. LEGAL. Also liked &lt;i&gt;moon&lt;/i&gt;, &lt;i&gt;coy pus(s)&lt;/i&gt; and the &lt;i&gt;autopsy&lt;/i&gt; &amp;Lit. A shame about the muddle at 5d.

... and Kaolin &amp; Morphine works the other way of course, tupu !]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi NeilW @4 &#8230; 16a works fine I think &#8230; if <i>The Law is an Ass</i> then &#8216;of an ass&#8217; (the definition) would be &#8216;of the law&#8217; &#8230; i.e. LEGAL. Also liked <i>moon</i>, <i>coy pus(s)</i> and the <i>autopsy</i> &amp;Lit. A shame about the muddle at 5d.</p>
<p>&#8230; and Kaolin &amp; Morphine works the other way of course, tupu !</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 17:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Or rest it even..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or rest it even..</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 17:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think 16 ac goes like this.

The law &quot;it&#039;s (been) said&quot; is a(n) ass.
LEGAL = &quot;of the law&quot;.
Ergo, substituting &quot;an ass&quot; for the law, we get &quot;Of an ass, it&#039;s said.....
I resyt my case.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think 16 ac goes like this.</p>
<p>The law &#8220;it&#8217;s (been) said&#8221; is a(n) ass.<br />
LEGAL = &#8220;of the law&#8221;.<br />
Ergo, substituting &#8220;an ass&#8221; for the law, we get &#8220;Of an ass, it&#8217;s said&#8230;..<br />
I resyt my case.</p>
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		<title>By: Carrots</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carrots</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 16:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A satisfying solve, in spite of a few &quot;liberties&quot; with convention. I think Gordius delights in winding up fifteen-sqareders with innovative word-plays (SWORDPLAY appears at 21 ac.), and &quot;iffy&quot; clues. Ximenes he is not....but good fun (usually). Thanks Tupu for the versified enlightenment: very appropriate!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A satisfying solve, in spite of a few &#8220;liberties&#8221; with convention. I think Gordius delights in winding up fifteen-sqareders with innovative word-plays (SWORDPLAY appears at 21 ac.), and &#8220;iffy&#8221; clues. Ximenes he is not&#8230;.but good fun (usually). Thanks Tupu for the versified enlightenment: very appropriate!</p>
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		<title>By: walruss</title>
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		<dc:creator>walruss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 13:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The law is not &#039;an&#039; ass in Dickens, but &#039;a&#039; ass. Not too bad from Gordius today, and I think I really quite enjoyed it! Happy Easter everyone.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The law is not &#8216;an&#8217; ass in Dickens, but &#8216;a&#8217; ass. Not too bad from Gordius today, and I think I really quite enjoyed it! Happy Easter everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: tupu</title>
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		<dc:creator>tupu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 13:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I remember kaolin from the bottle of Kaolin and Liquid Paraffin mixture I was supplied with by a Uni medic for a trip to East Africa many years ago. The idea seems to be that the kaolin mops up whatever is troubling your stomach and the LP flushes it out!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember kaolin from the bottle of Kaolin and Liquid Paraffin mixture I was supplied with by a Uni medic for a trip to East Africa many years ago. The idea seems to be that the kaolin mops up whatever is troubling your stomach and the LP flushes it out!</p>
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