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	<title>Comments on: Guardian 25,326 / Araucaria</title>
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		<title>By: Paul B</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2011/05/19/guardian-25326-araucaria/#comment-159470</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 May 2011 18:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The curious thing about Araucaria, and the thing &#039;Mark&#039; might want to consider, is that this compiler alone seems to be able to command such a large following away from the intellectual furnace that is the Online Crosswording Community (OCC).

How might that be? Swathes of eminently-qualified detractors are slagging the old boy right off week in, week out (and not without good reason on occasion, I would begrudgingly concede), but still they (The Others Out There, or TOOT) come running, as sucklings to the teat.

Very strange. But true.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The curious thing about Araucaria, and the thing &#8216;Mark&#8217; might want to consider, is that this compiler alone seems to be able to command such a large following away from the intellectual furnace that is the Online Crosswording Community (OCC).</p>
<p>How might that be? Swathes of eminently-qualified detractors are slagging the old boy right off week in, week out (and not without good reason on occasion, I would begrudgingly concede), but still they (The Others Out There, or TOOT) come running, as sucklings to the teat.</p>
<p>Very strange. But true.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas99</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 May 2011 09:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[mark (35)
For what it&#039;s worth your comment about 21a is completely accurate apart from &quot;Come off it!&quot; - except that &quot;array&quot; sounds exactly, not almost, like &quot;hooray&quot; without the h. The first vowel in both is a &quot;shwah&quot; (not an &quot;oo&quot; in one or an &quot;a&quot; in the other). &quot;Homophones&quot; in crosswords don&#039;t have to be perfect in my opinion, but as it happens this one is. 

And as Duncan said, the &quot;gee&quot; thing is completely uncontroversial.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mark (35)<br />
For what it&#8217;s worth your comment about 21a is completely accurate apart from &#8220;Come off it!&#8221; &#8211; except that &#8220;array&#8221; sounds exactly, not almost, like &#8220;hooray&#8221; without the h. The first vowel in both is a &#8220;shwah&#8221; (not an &#8220;oo&#8221; in one or an &#8220;a&#8221; in the other). &#8220;Homophones&#8221; in crosswords don&#8217;t have to be perfect in my opinion, but as it happens this one is. </p>
<p>And as Duncan said, the &#8220;gee&#8221; thing is completely uncontroversial.</p>
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		<title>By: Duncan Shiell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duncan Shiell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 May 2011 07:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[gee = G? - in Chambers, third definition, of six separate entries for gee - gee: the seventh letter of the modern English alphabet.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gee = G? &#8211; in Chambers, third definition, of six separate entries for gee &#8211; gee: the seventh letter of the modern English alphabet.</p>
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		<title>By: mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 May 2011 07:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Like Nani Moretti I disagree with the majority but agree with the majority of the minority. (Nice obscure and slightly bumpy reference for this setter&#039;s fans). In other words I&#039;m in the group that hated this as usual.

Infuriating, unfair and impossible to do without online reference and as such pointless in my book. If you don&#039;t know even when you have got the right answer then there&#039;s no lightbulb moment and where&#039;s the fun!

Gee=G - I wondered about it and rejected it as ridiculous and just too inelegant even for this setter.

21A!!! So it&#039;s ok that HARRAY doesn&#039;t actually exist so long as it sounds almost like Hooray. Come off it!

I simply don&#039;t trust this setter to ever give me a fair chance to solve his puzzles and I will not be duped into trying them again.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like Nani Moretti I disagree with the majority but agree with the majority of the minority. (Nice obscure and slightly bumpy reference for this setter&#8217;s fans). In other words I&#8217;m in the group that hated this as usual.</p>
<p>Infuriating, unfair and impossible to do without online reference and as such pointless in my book. If you don&#8217;t know even when you have got the right answer then there&#8217;s no lightbulb moment and where&#8217;s the fun!</p>
<p>Gee=G &#8211; I wondered about it and rejected it as ridiculous and just too inelegant even for this setter.</p>
<p>21A!!! So it&#8217;s ok that HARRAY doesn&#8217;t actually exist so long as it sounds almost like Hooray. Come off it!</p>
<p>I simply don&#8217;t trust this setter to ever give me a fair chance to solve his puzzles and I will not be duped into trying them again.</p>
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		<title>By: molonglo</title>
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		<dc:creator>molonglo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 May 2011 22:45:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Le Petomane@30: ALITALIA = Always Late In Takeoff Always Late In Arrival.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Le Petomane@30: ALITALIA = Always Late In Takeoff Always Late In Arrival.</p>
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		<title>By: Stella Heath</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stella Heath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 May 2011 21:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[:lol: :lol: Brilliant, Sil!

I actually came back to thank Beermagnet@21 for the illumination, and express my hope that they become known in Spain some time soon, as my audio reproduction is very deficient on this netbook.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> <img src='http://www.fifteensquared.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' />  <img src='http://www.fifteensquared.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' />  Brilliant, Sil!</p>
<p>I actually came back to thank Beermagnet@21 for the illumination, and express my hope that they become known in Spain some time soon, as my audio reproduction is very deficient on this netbook.</p>
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		<title>By: Sil van den Hoek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sil van den Hoek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 May 2011 20:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So some of you thought Bob Marley &amp; The Wailers (and/or The Pogues) to be &#039;modern music&#039;? Well, here&#039;s Araucaria&#039;s opinion on that! :)

Given the preamble, 21d&#039;s AWARDS was easy enough, so 1-0 in the first seconds of the game.
Not even three minutes later I had a fantastic solo action scoring 2-0 out of nothing (ie ???????? ??? ?????) : SCOUTING FOR GIRLS (2d,18).
And the third goal wasn&#039;t far away: PLAN B (24ac) - an easy header.
But .... we didn&#039;t fully understand how I scored.
And my first movement was a litle bit clumsy (&#039;Back of&#039; as a reversal indicator - Sir Alex would have liked to see more elegance).

As the first half went on the game became somewhat slower.
Well, you can&#039;t have everything, although we did: 15d .......
Just before half time I did a pointless attempt to score again, but ????? M?????? (10,22)  didn&#039;t lead to the great Laura Marling - alas.

Half time - tea! [unfortunately, the theme wasn&#039;t really my PinC&#039;s cup of]

Very quickly after the break, we scored again with a Messi/Silva-like combination: there he was: IVOR NOVELLO - what a beauty!
Goal of the Month! (Ah well, Best Goal of the Day ...)

And our opponents?
They were a bit strange sometimes.
OKAVANGO (6d)? SLINGSBY (17d)? [I scored once with RAINOW (Cheshire village) - the crowd didn&#039;t like it at all)]
And you couldn&#039;t be quite sure of them.
An at first incomprehensible action led to a fantastic goal: ALPHAMERIC (1d).

About GWENDOLEN (25ac) we weren&#039;t sure.
Was it off-side or not? 
As our commentator Wolfie (#24) said: it could have gone either way!

In the 57th minute our opponents made a splendid goal: DARK ENERGY (14d).

And? Did we win in the end?
I fear not.
We made a ridiculous mistake two minutes before time (9ac - I won&#039;t tell how or why, it&#039;s too unbelievable).
So, Araucaria FC won - credits to them!

No extra time needed.
And a very fair referee (Duncanshiell) who I would like to thank.

Btw, in the second half I spotted someone in the crowd with an incredible banner: Yes, Le Petomane (@30) - Fan of the Day!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So some of you thought Bob Marley &amp; The Wailers (and/or The Pogues) to be &#8216;modern music&#8217;? Well, here&#8217;s Araucaria&#8217;s opinion on that! <img src='http://www.fifteensquared.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Given the preamble, 21d&#8217;s AWARDS was easy enough, so 1-0 in the first seconds of the game.<br />
Not even three minutes later I had a fantastic solo action scoring 2-0 out of nothing (ie ???????? ??? ?????) : SCOUTING FOR GIRLS (2d,18).<br />
And the third goal wasn&#8217;t far away: PLAN B (24ac) &#8211; an easy header.<br />
But &#8230;. we didn&#8217;t fully understand how I scored.<br />
And my first movement was a litle bit clumsy (&#8216;Back of&#8217; as a reversal indicator &#8211; Sir Alex would have liked to see more elegance).</p>
<p>As the first half went on the game became somewhat slower.<br />
Well, you can&#8217;t have everything, although we did: 15d &#8230;&#8230;.<br />
Just before half time I did a pointless attempt to score again, but ????? M?????? (10,22)  didn&#8217;t lead to the great Laura Marling &#8211; alas.</p>
<p>Half time &#8211; tea! [unfortunately, the theme wasn't really my PinC's cup of]</p>
<p>Very quickly after the break, we scored again with a Messi/Silva-like combination: there he was: IVOR NOVELLO &#8211; what a beauty!<br />
Goal of the Month! (Ah well, Best Goal of the Day &#8230;)</p>
<p>And our opponents?<br />
They were a bit strange sometimes.<br />
OKAVANGO (6d)? SLINGSBY (17d)? [I scored once with RAINOW (Cheshire village) - the crowd didn't like it at all)]<br />
And you couldn&#8217;t be quite sure of them.<br />
An at first incomprehensible action led to a fantastic goal: ALPHAMERIC (1d).</p>
<p>About GWENDOLEN (25ac) we weren&#8217;t sure.<br />
Was it off-side or not?<br />
As our commentator Wolfie (#24) said: it could have gone either way!</p>
<p>In the 57th minute our opponents made a splendid goal: DARK ENERGY (14d).</p>
<p>And? Did we win in the end?<br />
I fear not.<br />
We made a ridiculous mistake two minutes before time (9ac &#8211; I won&#8217;t tell how or why, it&#8217;s too unbelievable).<br />
So, Araucaria FC won &#8211; credits to them!</p>
<p>No extra time needed.<br />
And a very fair referee (Duncanshiell) who I would like to thank.</p>
<p>Btw, in the second half I spotted someone in the crowd with an incredible banner: Yes, Le Petomane (@30) &#8211; Fan of the Day!</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Luke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Luke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 May 2011 19:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I enjoyed this very much. A challenging, but &#039;doable&#039;, puzzle which a colleague at work and I mostly completed in the lunch hour. Have to admit to looking up a couple of the Ivor Novello nominees, though, once we&#039;d cracked the theme.

BTW, there seems to have been some over-literal objection to &quot;composer of today&quot;: surely that is simply a reference to the fact that the Novello awards ceremony is today?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoyed this very much. A challenging, but &#8216;doable&#8217;, puzzle which a colleague at work and I mostly completed in the lunch hour. Have to admit to looking up a couple of the Ivor Novello nominees, though, once we&#8217;d cracked the theme.</p>
<p>BTW, there seems to have been some over-literal objection to &#8220;composer of today&#8221;: surely that is simply a reference to the fact that the Novello awards ceremony is today?</p>
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		<title>By: Le Petomane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Le Petomane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 May 2011 19:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ALITALIA was &quot;All landed in Turin, all luggage in Alicante.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ALITALIA was &#8220;All landed in Turin, all luggage in Alicante.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: tupu</title>
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		<dc:creator>tupu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 May 2011 17:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Robi
I should have guessed!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Robi<br />
I should have guessed!</p>
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