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		<title>By: Sil van den Hoek</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2011/06/03/guardian-25339-orlando/#comment-160560</link>
		<dc:creator>Sil van den Hoek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jun 2011 21:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[RCWhiting, probably your question was a  rhetorical one.
For others: P[imms] + (NOT SURE IT)* around [self-importanc]E.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RCWhiting, probably your question was a  rhetorical one.<br />
For others: P[imms] + (NOT SURE IT)* around [self-importanc]E.</p>
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		<title>By: Sil van den Hoek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sil van den Hoek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jun 2011 12:06:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[RCWhiting:
Not sure, it could be about extreme self-importance after first of Pimms.
:)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RCWhiting:<br />
Not sure, it could be about extreme self-importance after first of Pimms.<br />
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		<title>By: RCWhiting</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2011/06/03/guardian-25339-orlando/#comment-160489</link>
		<dc:creator>RCWhiting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jun 2011 23:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Has anyone seen a good clue for pretentious?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone seen a good clue for pretentious?</p>
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		<title>By: Carrots</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carrots</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jun 2011 22:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Echoing many (almost all) of the foregoing sentiments, Orlando has delighted us with wit, chicanery and glossy surfaces. He really is a super setter. I still had half a dozen to go before I got to the garden swing, where I zonked-out for the rest of the afternoon. Luverly!! Thanks Orlando &amp; Manehi...and apologies for such a late post. This was due to over-enthusiastic siesta-ing and the large jug of iced Pimms which welcomed me back into the land of the living.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Echoing many (almost all) of the foregoing sentiments, Orlando has delighted us with wit, chicanery and glossy surfaces. He really is a super setter. I still had half a dozen to go before I got to the garden swing, where I zonked-out for the rest of the afternoon. Luverly!! Thanks Orlando &amp; Manehi&#8230;and apologies for such a late post. This was due to over-enthusiastic siesta-ing and the large jug of iced Pimms which welcomed me back into the land of the living.</p>
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		<title>By: tupu</title>
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		<dc:creator>tupu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jun 2011 20:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Sil

I agree re 20a that Manehi&#039;s answer is cleverer than necessary. However, though seemingly &#039;harmless&#039;, it is a devious clue that I only solved after &#039;deadbolts&#039;. I expected the answer to be a tree name or possibly an adjectival or substantive meaning of &#039;sound&#039; (because of the be&#039;) rather than its meaning as a verb.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sil</p>
<p>I agree re 20a that Manehi&#8217;s answer is cleverer than necessary. However, though seemingly &#8216;harmless&#8217;, it is a devious clue that I only solved after &#8216;deadbolts&#8217;. I expected the answer to be a tree name or possibly an adjectival or substantive meaning of &#8216;sound&#8217; (because of the be&#8217;) rather than its meaning as a verb.</p>
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		<title>By: Sil van den Hoek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sil van den Hoek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jun 2011 20:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What more can I say?
An excellent end to an above average crossword week.

As some might know, I am great admirer of Michael Curl&#039;s puzzles.
He is so good at writing misdirecting surfaces, meanwhile keeping a close eye on precision.
4ac, 10ac, 11ac, 24ac are all perfect examples of that.

We never saw &quot;ER&#039;s man&quot; before, so for us it worked.
A nice twist in 7d too (NOW NOW).

Our first one was TO BE OR NOT TO BE, just getting it from the enumeration. But as we saw in this week&#039;s Crucible, sometimes easy clues can be marvellously written.

Whilst solving I had to think of the difference between Cincinnus and Orlando. When I asked Michael Curl at the London &#039;do&#039; about that, he said that for him there&#039;s not much difference. It was an answer that I didn&#039;t expect. FT&#039;s Cincinnus is much lighter [not bad at all, I haste to say!] and in that disguise he uses very often geographical references. As such, 2d is a typical Cincinnus clue.
For me Orlando has more depth, but apparently he can&#039;t be bothered. Michael Curl = Michael Curl. And it all seems to be so effortless. An inspiring setter.

Well, that was the positive news ..... :)
Of course, there are always two or three clues that are under par.
For us, MAKE IT SNAPPY (17d) didn&#039;t work.
And it was certainly no match for a recent Loroso (/Anax) clue in the FT: &quot;Hurry up, mum - man&#039;s removing hot towel&quot;. 

Fantastic crossword, slightly harder than usual.
For tupu it was a ‘game of two halves’ with half-time spent at the cinema with grandchildren watching Rio.
For us it was also a &#039;game of two halves&#039;, the left hand side being considerably harder than the &#039;other half&#039; with full-time spent at the cinema, enjoying a coffee and some Chenin Blanc ... :)

And our Clue of the Day?
3d&#039;s VESTA.
Cleverly hidden (maybe the capital S played a role in that), and another example of a perfect surface in which nothing is as it is.

Thank you, manehi, for blogging this cracker.
[I do think though that in 20ac (PLUMB) life&#039;s a bit easier: PLUMB is just a homophone of &#039;plum&#039;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What more can I say?<br />
An excellent end to an above average crossword week.</p>
<p>As some might know, I am great admirer of Michael Curl&#8217;s puzzles.<br />
He is so good at writing misdirecting surfaces, meanwhile keeping a close eye on precision.<br />
4ac, 10ac, 11ac, 24ac are all perfect examples of that.</p>
<p>We never saw &#8220;ER&#8217;s man&#8221; before, so for us it worked.<br />
A nice twist in 7d too (NOW NOW).</p>
<p>Our first one was TO BE OR NOT TO BE, just getting it from the enumeration. But as we saw in this week&#8217;s Crucible, sometimes easy clues can be marvellously written.</p>
<p>Whilst solving I had to think of the difference between Cincinnus and Orlando. When I asked Michael Curl at the London &#8216;do&#8217; about that, he said that for him there&#8217;s not much difference. It was an answer that I didn&#8217;t expect. FT&#8217;s Cincinnus is much lighter [not bad at all, I haste to say!] and in that disguise he uses very often geographical references. As such, 2d is a typical Cincinnus clue.<br />
For me Orlando has more depth, but apparently he can&#8217;t be bothered. Michael Curl = Michael Curl. And it all seems to be so effortless. An inspiring setter.</p>
<p>Well, that was the positive news &#8230;.. <img src='http://www.fifteensquared.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Of course, there are always two or three clues that are under par.<br />
For us, MAKE IT SNAPPY (17d) didn&#8217;t work.<br />
And it was certainly no match for a recent Loroso (/Anax) clue in the FT: &#8220;Hurry up, mum &#8211; man&#8217;s removing hot towel&#8221;. </p>
<p>Fantastic crossword, slightly harder than usual.<br />
For tupu it was a ‘game of two halves’ with half-time spent at the cinema with grandchildren watching Rio.<br />
For us it was also a &#8216;game of two halves&#8217;, the left hand side being considerably harder than the &#8216;other half&#8217; with full-time spent at the cinema, enjoying a coffee and some Chenin Blanc &#8230; <img src='http://www.fifteensquared.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>And our Clue of the Day?<br />
3d&#8217;s VESTA.<br />
Cleverly hidden (maybe the capital S played a role in that), and another example of a perfect surface in which nothing is as it is.</p>
<p>Thank you, manehi, for blogging this cracker.<br />
[I do think though that in 20ac (PLUMB) life's a bit easier: PLUMB is just a homophone of 'plum']</p>
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		<title>By: RCWhiting</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jun 2011 20:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks all
I didn&#039;t laugh out loud or even smile but I did enjoy this straightforward puzzle.
My only error, which left me unable to parse 11ac, was to misspell &#039;simpatico&#039; as &#039;sympatico&#039; because I started by thinking of &#039;sympathy&#039;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks all<br />
I didn&#8217;t laugh out loud or even smile but I did enjoy this straightforward puzzle.<br />
My only error, which left me unable to parse 11ac, was to misspell &#8216;simpatico&#8217; as &#8216;sympatico&#8217; because I started by thinking of &#8216;sympathy&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: muck</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jun 2011 19:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks manehi &amp; others for explaining MOSES and POLKA]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks manehi &amp; others for explaining MOSES and POLKA</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jun 2011 17:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks manehi for your blog and also to Orlando for a testing crossword that took me around 1 hour 45 minutes to finish.

Orlando really is a very fine setter who is brilliant at misleading the unwary with the greatest of ease.

This was packed with amusement and trickery.

A brilliant clue at 25 across and yet another superb hidden at 3 down.

11 across a real gem.

For me the best of the week. A great week as Eileen stated.

Well done to all at the Guardian.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks manehi for your blog and also to Orlando for a testing crossword that took me around 1 hour 45 minutes to finish.</p>
<p>Orlando really is a very fine setter who is brilliant at misleading the unwary with the greatest of ease.</p>
<p>This was packed with amusement and trickery.</p>
<p>A brilliant clue at 25 across and yet another superb hidden at 3 down.</p>
<p>11 across a real gem.</p>
<p>For me the best of the week. A great week as Eileen stated.</p>
<p>Well done to all at the Guardian.</p>
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		<title>By: liz</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jun 2011 17:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks manehi and thanks to Orlando for a very enjoyable puzzle.

Like Bryan (thanks for the lyrics) I got Moses from Singin&#039; in the Rain (a favourite film round here).

Lots to enjoy -- I particularly liked 11ac and 10dn. After reading Eileen&#039;s comment @6, I appreciated 1ac all the more in retrospect -- I missed the &#039;stick&#039; sense of cleave while solving.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks manehi and thanks to Orlando for a very enjoyable puzzle.</p>
<p>Like Bryan (thanks for the lyrics) I got Moses from Singin&#8217; in the Rain (a favourite film round here).</p>
<p>Lots to enjoy &#8212; I particularly liked 11ac and 10dn. After reading Eileen&#8217;s comment @6, I appreciated 1ac all the more in retrospect &#8212; I missed the &#8216;stick&#8217; sense of cleave while solving.</p>
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