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		<title>By: Carrots</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2011/06/06/guardian-25341-rufus/#comment-160634</link>
		<dc:creator>Carrots</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jun 2011 22:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Eileen (&amp; Rufus!) for a puzzle which I completely screwed-up by being confident that 4Dn (ICEBOAT) was &quot;DREDGER&quot; (which, to be fair, fits both the clue and definition exactly!) But, once this was in my mind, I couldn`t get it out and surrendered to Eileen`s blog with four to go. First time this has happened to me with a Rufus!

When I lived in the USA, on the shores of Lake Minnetonka, we restored and &quot;sailed&quot; an ICEBOAT. It was a blast! Speeds in excess of 60 Knots could easily be had from a breeze of less than 20 Knots. Don`t ask me about the physics: it just seemed to go faster and faster until running out of frozen lake. Then it could be stopped on a dime with gut-wrenching &quot;G&quot; forces. We had to wear leather face-masks to stop the flesh being flayed from our faces. Hell, (as they say), we sure had fun!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Eileen (&amp; Rufus!) for a puzzle which I completely screwed-up by being confident that 4Dn (ICEBOAT) was &#8220;DREDGER&#8221; (which, to be fair, fits both the clue and definition exactly!) But, once this was in my mind, I couldn`t get it out and surrendered to Eileen`s blog with four to go. First time this has happened to me with a Rufus!</p>
<p>When I lived in the USA, on the shores of Lake Minnetonka, we restored and &#8220;sailed&#8221; an ICEBOAT. It was a blast! Speeds in excess of 60 Knots could easily be had from a breeze of less than 20 Knots. Don`t ask me about the physics: it just seemed to go faster and faster until running out of frozen lake. Then it could be stopped on a dime with gut-wrenching &#8220;G&#8221; forces. We had to wear leather face-masks to stop the flesh being flayed from our faces. Hell, (as they say), we sure had fun!</p>
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		<title>By: stiofain</title>
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		<dc:creator>stiofain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jun 2011 21:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I remember a clue from Araucaria for coquette many years ago it was something like &quot;That Frenchy in bed with the heartless woman is a tease&quot; my memory is not doing the clue justice perhaps someone remembers it better?
Like a roast on a Sunday a Rufus on a Monday goes down a treat.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember a clue from Araucaria for coquette many years ago it was something like &#8220;That Frenchy in bed with the heartless woman is a tease&#8221; my memory is not doing the clue justice perhaps someone remembers it better?<br />
Like a roast on a Sunday a Rufus on a Monday goes down a treat.</p>
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		<title>By: MattD</title>
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		<dc:creator>MattD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jun 2011 17:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi All

Found this hard as I didn&#039;t dare write in Store, Situation, Outstrip and Coquette as although I got them early, I thought I was missing the cryptic element and they were too obvious. I only put them in out of desperation in the end. 

I did like 5d (nightspot) though for the surface (took me back to my clubbing days!) and once I&#039;d got over the barely-cryptic definitions and entered them into the grid it was a swift solve. Nice for a Monday

Thank you Eileen for reassuring me that I wasn&#039;t missing anything. And thankyou Rufus for the puzzle itself.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi All</p>
<p>Found this hard as I didn&#8217;t dare write in Store, Situation, Outstrip and Coquette as although I got them early, I thought I was missing the cryptic element and they were too obvious. I only put them in out of desperation in the end. </p>
<p>I did like 5d (nightspot) though for the surface (took me back to my clubbing days!) and once I&#8217;d got over the barely-cryptic definitions and entered them into the grid it was a swift solve. Nice for a Monday</p>
<p>Thank you Eileen for reassuring me that I wasn&#8217;t missing anything. And thankyou Rufus for the puzzle itself.</p>
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		<title>By: sidey</title>
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		<dc:creator>sidey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jun 2011 17:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re ICEBOAT, they were common at one time on the inland waterways in the UK. Shorter than a narrowboat and with a semi-circular cross-section so they could be rocked violently by crews of about ten often the worse for drink. They were hauled by teams of horses. I can&#039;t find any decent photos but I&#039;ve seen some with a team of twelve harnessed up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re ICEBOAT, they were common at one time on the inland waterways in the UK. Shorter than a narrowboat and with a semi-circular cross-section so they could be rocked violently by crews of about ten often the worse for drink. They were hauled by teams of horses. I can&#8217;t find any decent photos but I&#8217;ve seen some with a team of twelve harnessed up.</p>
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		<title>By: walruss</title>
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		<dc:creator>walruss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jun 2011 15:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Quite a good &#039;Rufus&#039; I thought, with less groaning on my part during the solve than is normal with this stalwart among compilers. Good stuff, thanks Rufus and Eileen for her usual considered blog.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quite a good &#8216;Rufus&#8217; I thought, with less groaning on my part during the solve than is normal with this stalwart among compilers. Good stuff, thanks Rufus and Eileen for her usual considered blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Eileen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eileen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jun 2011 15:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi HT

I checked this this morning, as I, too, would have expected &#039;icebreaker&#039; - but I know Rufus knows his boats!. Chambers has: &#039;a boat for forcing a way through ice, an ice-breaker; a craft mounted on runners for moving over ice&#039;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi HT</p>
<p>I checked this this morning, as I, too, would have expected &#8216;icebreaker&#8217; &#8211; but I know Rufus knows his boats!. Chambers has: &#8216;a boat for forcing a way through ice, an ice-breaker; a craft mounted on runners for moving over ice&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jun 2011 15:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Eileen.

Pleasant start to the week. I found this pretty easy, although the NW corner took me a little longer - I took a while to get a purchase on its cluster of cd/dd clues.

As others have said, the &#039;grand&#039; in both clue and answer to 13d was a pity, and I felt the &#039;post&#039; and &#039;office&#039; in 1a were synonyms in the sense required by the answer - although this clue can&#039;t be faulted for its concision!

11a I liked a lot, although it is surprisingly libertarian for Rufus: the clue works as a fun cd, but to OUTSTRIP would be to beat the opposition in getting bare - not quite the same as &#039;barely beat&#039; them.

The last time I remember the -or/-ress debate here was when Araucaria had the lovely word &#039;psaltress&#039; in a puzzle.  The Guardian house style is now to use &#039;actor&#039; for both sexes, although this is one case where the distinction seems to me to be justified, irrespective of award categories - men are usually cast in male roles and women in female ones, so unlike &#039;doctors&#039;, for example, there is a clear division of labour.  But we still have &#039;princess&#039; &#039;duchess&#039; etc.  King Elizabeth II, anyone?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Eileen.</p>
<p>Pleasant start to the week. I found this pretty easy, although the NW corner took me a little longer &#8211; I took a while to get a purchase on its cluster of cd/dd clues.</p>
<p>As others have said, the &#8216;grand&#8217; in both clue and answer to 13d was a pity, and I felt the &#8216;post&#8217; and &#8216;office&#8217; in 1a were synonyms in the sense required by the answer &#8211; although this clue can&#8217;t be faulted for its concision!</p>
<p>11a I liked a lot, although it is surprisingly libertarian for Rufus: the clue works as a fun cd, but to OUTSTRIP would be to beat the opposition in getting bare &#8211; not quite the same as &#8216;barely beat&#8217; them.</p>
<p>The last time I remember the -or/-ress debate here was when Araucaria had the lovely word &#8216;psaltress&#8217; in a puzzle.  The Guardian house style is now to use &#8216;actor&#8217; for both sexes, although this is one case where the distinction seems to me to be justified, irrespective of award categories &#8211; men are usually cast in male roles and women in female ones, so unlike &#8216;doctors&#8217;, for example, there is a clear division of labour.  But we still have &#8216;princess&#8217; &#8216;duchess&#8217; etc.  King Elizabeth II, anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: HT</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jun 2011 15:27:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Robi; maybe because &quot;actress&quot; is almost demeaning in that it separates the genders? I always preferred the gender-neutral version myself back in drama class! After all, as an actor you can be anything or anyone, and to me a word rhyming with dress doesn&#039;t cut it.

...But yes, actually commenting this time over ICEBOAT...

I looked it up online and Google seems very certain that ICEBOAT refers to a land-skating type of boat as opposed to an ICEBREAKER (which clears the route for other ships). If these terms aren&#039;t synonymous doesn&#039;t it fail to fit the clue? I&#039;ve probably missed an older meaning somewhere!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robi; maybe because &#8220;actress&#8221; is almost demeaning in that it separates the genders? I always preferred the gender-neutral version myself back in drama class! After all, as an actor you can be anything or anyone, and to me a word rhyming with dress doesn&#8217;t cut it.</p>
<p>&#8230;But yes, actually commenting this time over ICEBOAT&#8230;</p>
<p>I looked it up online and Google seems very certain that ICEBOAT refers to a land-skating type of boat as opposed to an ICEBREAKER (which clears the route for other ships). If these terms aren&#8217;t synonymous doesn&#8217;t it fail to fit the clue? I&#8217;ve probably missed an older meaning somewhere!</p>
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		<title>By: Roger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jun 2011 14:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks tupu (16) ... a bit like getting round the outside of a good pint !]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks tupu (16) &#8230; a bit like getting round the outside of a good pint !</p>
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		<title>By: RCWhiting</title>
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		<dc:creator>RCWhiting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jun 2011 13:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks all
I did try iceship and didn&#039;t like the excessive &#039;grands&#039; in 13d.
I stuck droop in without a thought and avoided all the anguish expressed above.
Easy but enjoyable and after a real struggle with Azed late last night, most appropriate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks all<br />
I did try iceship and didn&#8217;t like the excessive &#8216;grands&#8217; in 13d.<br />
I stuck droop in without a thought and avoided all the anguish expressed above.<br />
Easy but enjoyable and after a real struggle with Azed late last night, most appropriate.</p>
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