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		<title>By: Paul B</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2011/06/07/financial-times-13713-loroso/#comment-160720</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jun 2011 00:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How long will it be, I wonder, before ADVISOR comes before ADVISER in the dictionaries. Shocking.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How long will it be, I wonder, before ADVISOR comes before ADVISER in the dictionaries. Shocking.</p>
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		<title>By: Abu Amaal</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2011/06/07/financial-times-13713-loroso/#comment-160706</link>
		<dc:creator>Abu Amaal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jun 2011 19:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I thought 25ac was &quot;imposter&quot; (an acceptable spelling) and bogged down finally on 14d
Missed the theme - a very nice bonus.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought 25ac was &#8220;imposter&#8221; (an acceptable spelling) and bogged down finally on 14d<br />
Missed the theme &#8211; a very nice bonus.</p>
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		<title>By: gnomethang</title>
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		<dc:creator>gnomethang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jun 2011 17:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ #9 //It’s good to see the tools of the Indy brought to the Pink One//

I hope that our setter doesn&#039;t take that the wrong way! ;-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ #9 //It’s good to see the tools of the Indy brought to the Pink One//</p>
<p>I hope that our setter doesn&#8217;t take that the wrong way! <img src='http://www.fifteensquared.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Gaufrid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gaufrid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jun 2011 16:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wanderer
I&#039;m pretty sure I already have in one barred-grid puzzle or another.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wanderer<br />
I&#8217;m pretty sure I already have in one barred-grid puzzle or another.</p>
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		<title>By: Wanderer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wanderer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jun 2011 16:39:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for that Gaufrid! I&#039;m sure in due course I shall encounter them all in crosswordland!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for that Gaufrid! I&#8217;m sure in due course I shall encounter them all in crosswordland!</p>
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		<title>By: Gaufrid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gaufrid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jun 2011 16:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Wanderer
&quot;Can’t be many of them in English.&quot;

Both Collins and Chambers list six - bacula; facula; lacuna; macula; macule &amp; vacuum.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Wanderer<br />
&#8220;Can’t be many of them in English.&#8221;</p>
<p>Both Collins and Chambers list six &#8211; bacula; facula; lacuna; macula; macule &#038; vacuum.</p>
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		<title>By: Wanderer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wanderer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jun 2011 16:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thoroughly enjoyed this, although I failed to spot the JACKET theme until I came here.

Didn&#039;t finish as I was snookered by the VACUUM clue. I had LACUNA, which I parsed as 1) a lacuna is a space, or gap, in text; and 2) a lacuna takes up space because in text it occupies at least an en, or an em, or possibly a larger space. So I thought it answered the question &quot;does it take up space?&quot; in the affirmative! Then I came here for enlightenment, and saw the much more satisfactory answer. I was still pleased with the coincidence that I had (mis)found another 6-letter word which goes _ACU__. Can&#039;t be many of them in English.

Many thanks to Loroso and Gaufrid.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thoroughly enjoyed this, although I failed to spot the JACKET theme until I came here.</p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t finish as I was snookered by the VACUUM clue. I had LACUNA, which I parsed as 1) a lacuna is a space, or gap, in text; and 2) a lacuna takes up space because in text it occupies at least an en, or an em, or possibly a larger space. So I thought it answered the question &#8220;does it take up space?&#8221; in the affirmative! Then I came here for enlightenment, and saw the much more satisfactory answer. I was still pleased with the coincidence that I had (mis)found another 6-letter word which goes _ACU__. Can&#8217;t be many of them in English.</p>
<p>Many thanks to Loroso and Gaufrid.</p>
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		<title>By: walruss</title>
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		<dc:creator>walruss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jun 2011 15:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I had time to do the FT today, and well worth it. It&#039;s good to see the tools of the Indy brought to the Pink One, but the &#039;word in front of&#039; theme is probably too silent. I think this could have done with some kind of nudge.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had time to do the FT today, and well worth it. It&#8217;s good to see the tools of the Indy brought to the Pink One, but the &#8216;word in front of&#8217; theme is probably too silent. I think this could have done with some kind of nudge.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jun 2011 15:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Many a thanks to Anax and Gaufrid!  

Anax,

With your fix, 20D is interesting and great :) I have to accept having heard about 16A as well. 4A makes much more meaning now, but during solving it&#039;s way too difficult to unravel. I looked at the cryptic reading - It reads &quot;BUN (that) A DANTE has kept short&quot;, which means we get ABUDANTE first and then shorten it to get the answer.

24D, as you say, is an assumption in any case. In the case of &#039;offers&#039;, I ignore the space between the words. In the other case, you assume an extra &#039;and&#039; between that isn&#039;t there.

MA TIN offers answer or MA (-and) TIN offer answer - Ha... Too much technical thingy for something I solved right at the start :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many a thanks to Anax and Gaufrid!  </p>
<p>Anax,</p>
<p>With your fix, 20D is interesting and great <img src='http://www.fifteensquared.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I have to accept having heard about 16A as well. 4A makes much more meaning now, but during solving it&#8217;s way too difficult to unravel. I looked at the cryptic reading &#8211; It reads &#8220;BUN (that) A DANTE has kept short&#8221;, which means we get ABUDANTE first and then shorten it to get the answer.</p>
<p>24D, as you say, is an assumption in any case. In the case of &#8216;offers&#8217;, I ignore the space between the words. In the other case, you assume an extra &#8216;and&#8217; between that isn&#8217;t there.</p>
<p>MA TIN offers answer or MA (-and) TIN offer answer &#8211; Ha&#8230; Too much technical thingy for something I solved right at the start <img src='http://www.fifteensquared.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: anax</title>
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		<dc:creator>anax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jun 2011 14:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Afternoon all, and many thanks to Gaufrid for a loverly blog.

Just to answer Joe’s point about the theme; I took a slightly oblique approach to deciding whether or not to announce it. This is one of the easier FT grids to fill, so I hoped some solvers might wonder why it was necessary to have the rather obscure answer at 12a – after all, it isn’t there because I happened to find a really good clue for it (the clue’s rather plain, actually). Sometimes that nagging suspicion leads you to look at the answers to see if any have something in common.

Re 4a, I’m with Gaufrid on the Marmite effect of words doing double duty and I was aware of it – I hoped that adding the QM (unnecessary in terms of the letter deletion indicator) might segue into the definition.

20a is a tad sneaky in that you’re supposed to mentally insert a colon after “This”.

16a. Indeed. You’re often likely to hear general bathroom goodies referred to as smellies when they’re given as e.g. Christmas gifts.

And finally 24d. Yes, it’s one of those things which ventures into the land of technicality and I remember a vociferous clue-writing forum argument on a similar subject. If you replace ‘old woman’ with A and ‘can’ with B, then call the answer C you have the equation A plus B equals C – a plural form. Here ‘offer’ is the ‘leading to the answer’ word, so A and B offer C. Mathematically I see ‘offers’ would be just as good, but this is language and language rules aren’t quite the same. You wouldn’t say ‘Tom and Jane goes to London’.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Afternoon all, and many thanks to Gaufrid for a loverly blog.</p>
<p>Just to answer Joe’s point about the theme; I took a slightly oblique approach to deciding whether or not to announce it. This is one of the easier FT grids to fill, so I hoped some solvers might wonder why it was necessary to have the rather obscure answer at 12a – after all, it isn’t there because I happened to find a really good clue for it (the clue’s rather plain, actually). Sometimes that nagging suspicion leads you to look at the answers to see if any have something in common.</p>
<p>Re 4a, I’m with Gaufrid on the Marmite effect of words doing double duty and I was aware of it – I hoped that adding the QM (unnecessary in terms of the letter deletion indicator) might segue into the definition.</p>
<p>20a is a tad sneaky in that you’re supposed to mentally insert a colon after “This”.</p>
<p>16a. Indeed. You’re often likely to hear general bathroom goodies referred to as smellies when they’re given as e.g. Christmas gifts.</p>
<p>And finally 24d. Yes, it’s one of those things which ventures into the land of technicality and I remember a vociferous clue-writing forum argument on a similar subject. If you replace ‘old woman’ with A and ‘can’ with B, then call the answer C you have the equation A plus B equals C – a plural form. Here ‘offer’ is the ‘leading to the answer’ word, so A and B offer C. Mathematically I see ‘offers’ would be just as good, but this is language and language rules aren’t quite the same. You wouldn’t say ‘Tom and Jane goes to London’.</p>
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