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		<title>By: Paul B</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2011/06/10/independent-7691phi/#comment-161095</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jun 2011 01:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re not the only one. Plus I hate using &#039;of&#039;. It just looks crap.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re not the only one. Plus I hate using &#8216;of&#8217;. It just looks crap.</p>
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		<title>By: Phi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jun 2011 20:49:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry to be so late stopping by.  

As usual in situations like this I fall back on checking the original hoping that the point causing comment is an editorial intervention (I don&#039;t know why I do this, it never is).  By the time a puzzle is published I&#039;m usually several weeks further on, and it&#039;s impossible to reconstruct my thought processes for every clue, and I now find &#039;quantity&#039; as curious a choice as some of you do.  &#039;Item&#039; would have been far better, and all I can think is that unconsciously I wanted a trisyllable there.  (I only suggest that because I have on occasion - not often - found myself editing a clue to improve its rhythm.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to be so late stopping by.  </p>
<p>As usual in situations like this I fall back on checking the original hoping that the point causing comment is an editorial intervention (I don&#8217;t know why I do this, it never is).  By the time a puzzle is published I&#8217;m usually several weeks further on, and it&#8217;s impossible to reconstruct my thought processes for every clue, and I now find &#8216;quantity&#8217; as curious a choice as some of you do.  &#8216;Item&#8217; would have been far better, and all I can think is that unconsciously I wanted a trisyllable there.  (I only suggest that because I have on occasion &#8211; not often &#8211; found myself editing a clue to improve its rhythm.)</p>
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		<title>By: ele</title>
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		<dc:creator>ele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2011 20:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Agree with the comments about 7d - before I got crossing letters I thought 7d might be be something dose. Perhaps Phi will elucidate. 

Clowder was new to me - Oxford webpage says 	


&#039;The usual word that&#039;s given as the collective term for a group of cats is clowder.&#039;

I think usual is stretching it a bit. :)

I too got fickle at 5d - the &#039;future barrister&#039; was very neat. Too many great clues to pick a favourite. Thanks Phi and Ali for the blog.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree with the comments about 7d &#8211; before I got crossing letters I thought 7d might be be something dose. Perhaps Phi will elucidate. </p>
<p>Clowder was new to me &#8211; Oxford webpage says 	</p>
<p>&#8216;The usual word that&#8217;s given as the collective term for a group of cats is clowder.&#8217;</p>
<p>I think usual is stretching it a bit. <img src='http://www.fifteensquared.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I too got fickle at 5d &#8211; the &#8216;future barrister&#8217; was very neat. Too many great clues to pick a favourite. Thanks Phi and Ali for the blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2011 19:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Medical quantity you wouldn&#039;t expect *patients* to take?

You&#039;d expect this to be an exploitation of a double meaning on &#039;quantity&#039;, but I can&#039;t seem to get a meaning for it as &#039;code&#039;, or &#039;oath&#039; or anything like that. Perhaps it&#039;s Collins 6, the &#039;characteristic of a proposition&#039; etc, but in truth I am a-strugglin&#039;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Medical quantity you wouldn&#8217;t expect *patients* to take?</p>
<p>You&#8217;d expect this to be an exploitation of a double meaning on &#8216;quantity&#8217;, but I can&#8217;t seem to get a meaning for it as &#8216;code&#8217;, or &#8216;oath&#8217; or anything like that. Perhaps it&#8217;s Collins 6, the &#8216;characteristic of a proposition&#8217; etc, but in truth I am a-strugglin&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: flashling</title>
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		<dc:creator>flashling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2011 14:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Glad it&#039;s not just me who didn&#039;t really get 7d.. Thanks Ali + Phi, perhaps Phi might stop by to explain]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad it&#8217;s not just me who didn&#8217;t really get 7d.. Thanks Ali + Phi, perhaps Phi might stop by to explain</p>
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		<title>By: caretman</title>
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		<dc:creator>caretman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2011 13:57:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Agree with the conclusion about FICKLE and the puzzlement over &#039;quantity&#039; in HIPPOCRATIC OATH; it was that word that kept me from putting in the solution for the longest time.  I will add an infinitesimally tiny nit about Ali&#039;s description of the solution to 9a: he meant to write that it&#039;s LOWER in CD rather than the other way around.  I thought it was a solid and straightforward puzzle from Phi with a lot of smooth surfaces.  I really liked WAFER-THIN (and the memories of the wafer-thin mint from Monty Python&#039;s The Meaning of Life) and PEOPLE&#039;S REPUBLIC.  I think I may have encountered CLOWDER before, but I needed to confirm it after putting it in.  Thanks, Phi, for the fun workout, and to Ali for the blog.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree with the conclusion about FICKLE and the puzzlement over &#8216;quantity&#8217; in HIPPOCRATIC OATH; it was that word that kept me from putting in the solution for the longest time.  I will add an infinitesimally tiny nit about Ali&#8217;s description of the solution to 9a: he meant to write that it&#8217;s LOWER in CD rather than the other way around.  I thought it was a solid and straightforward puzzle from Phi with a lot of smooth surfaces.  I really liked WAFER-THIN (and the memories of the wafer-thin mint from Monty Python&#8217;s The Meaning of Life) and PEOPLE&#8217;S REPUBLIC.  I think I may have encountered CLOWDER before, but I needed to confirm it after putting it in.  Thanks, Phi, for the fun workout, and to Ali for the blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas99</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2011 13:15:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[5d is definitely FICKLE - firstly, that&#039;s what they&#039;ve told us in the online version; secondly, there is no sense I know of in which &quot;CA&quot; can mean barrister, or in which &quot;facile&quot; means unreliable, come to that. Just looks like a passing brainstorm on Ali&#039;s part to me.

7d - Glad everyone seems to have been as puzzled as me. I&#039;m beginning to think it is just a CD - the modern version of the oath is effectively a list (of sentences beginning &quot;I will...&quot;) so it is in that sense a quantity, or rather a number, of similar things (analagous to the quantity of pills implied in the surface?). Also, clutching at straws a bit, I suppose everything is a quantity, unknown or otherwise.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>5d is definitely FICKLE &#8211; firstly, that&#8217;s what they&#8217;ve told us in the online version; secondly, there is no sense I know of in which &#8220;CA&#8221; can mean barrister, or in which &#8220;facile&#8221; means unreliable, come to that. Just looks like a passing brainstorm on Ali&#8217;s part to me.</p>
<p>7d &#8211; Glad everyone seems to have been as puzzled as me. I&#8217;m beginning to think it is just a CD &#8211; the modern version of the oath is effectively a list (of sentences beginning &#8220;I will&#8230;&#8221;) so it is in that sense a quantity, or rather a number, of similar things (analagous to the quantity of pills implied in the surface?). Also, clutching at straws a bit, I suppose everything is a quantity, unknown or otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathryn's Dad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathryn's Dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2011 12:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for blogging, Ali.

A fine puzzle from Phi, which I completed reasonably easily but still needed to come here for some final explanations.  I thought the reference to bunga bunga in 17ac was very contemporary - if only ...

CLOWDER and BIREME were also new to me, but clearly signposted, and I also liked WAFER-THIN.  I too am struggling to understand HIPPOCRATIC OATH, although it was one of my first half-dozen or so entries because of the crossing letters.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for blogging, Ali.</p>
<p>A fine puzzle from Phi, which I completed reasonably easily but still needed to come here for some final explanations.  I thought the reference to bunga bunga in 17ac was very contemporary &#8211; if only &#8230;</p>
<p>CLOWDER and BIREME were also new to me, but clearly signposted, and I also liked WAFER-THIN.  I too am struggling to understand HIPPOCRATIC OATH, although it was one of my first half-dozen or so entries because of the crossing letters.</p>
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		<title>By: nmsindy</title>
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		<dc:creator>nmsindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2011 12:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I enjoyed this too, favourite clues, WORLD WAR, MOPED, and, as you mention, RAIN-CLOUD.   Thanks Phi and Ali.   CLOWDER was new to me too, but, if memory serves, Phi is pretty expertly knowledgeable about cats for some reason.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoyed this too, favourite clues, WORLD WAR, MOPED, and, as you mention, RAIN-CLOUD.   Thanks Phi and Ali.   CLOWDER was new to me too, but, if memory serves, Phi is pretty expertly knowledgeable about cats for some reason.</p>
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		<title>By: Pelham Barton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pelham Barton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2011 12:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[superkiwigirl @2: And I agree with you about 5dn. I cannot account for &quot;quantity&quot; in 7dn either.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>superkiwigirl @2: And I agree with you about 5dn. I cannot account for &#8220;quantity&#8221; in 7dn either.</p>
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