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		<title>By: Paul B</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2011/06/14/guardian-25348-bonxie/#comment-161382</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2011 18:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Part of the point made here, Otter, is that there are more people in the world, or who solve Guardian crosswords, than just you. For instance there are several people in the thread who haven&#039;t been too impressed with this offering, calling it &#039;joyless&#039; among other things. So while giggly you (or hilarious me) might not worry about flags for grave illness popping up from time to time, it&#039;s quite possible that some among the (fairly big) Guardian audience would. 

As to your riposte, I think there&#039;s some fairly good news: there are plenty of setters I know who&#039;d have scant difficulty in entertaining and challenging a person such as yourself, and all without risking offence to those with a tricky prognosis.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part of the point made here, Otter, is that there are more people in the world, or who solve Guardian crosswords, than just you. For instance there are several people in the thread who haven&#8217;t been too impressed with this offering, calling it &#8216;joyless&#8217; among other things. So while giggly you (or hilarious me) might not worry about flags for grave illness popping up from time to time, it&#8217;s quite possible that some among the (fairly big) Guardian audience would. </p>
<p>As to your riposte, I think there&#8217;s some fairly good news: there are plenty of setters I know who&#8217;d have scant difficulty in entertaining and challenging a person such as yourself, and all without risking offence to those with a tricky prognosis.</p>
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		<title>By: otter</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2011/06/14/guardian-25348-bonxie/#comment-161343</link>
		<dc:creator>otter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2011 10:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Paul B:

&gt;&gt; So no: the matter in fact relates to Grauniad’s growing addiction to insensitivity towards and lack of due consideration for the feelings of her crosswording punters.

I half-assume this is in jest, but don&#039;t read 15squared enough to know for sure. But, for the record, I really don&#039;t want the Graun to be &#039;sensitive to my feelings&#039;. Yuk. The only demand I have is that it set entertaining and challenging puzzles.

Also had a giggle at &#039;headteacher&#039; demanding the same standards of accuracy in a blog chat as in a published work.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul B:</p>
<p>&gt;&gt; So no: the matter in fact relates to Grauniad’s growing addiction to insensitivity towards and lack of due consideration for the feelings of her crosswording punters.</p>
<p>I half-assume this is in jest, but don&#8217;t read 15squared enough to know for sure. But, for the record, I really don&#8217;t want the Graun to be &#8216;sensitive to my feelings&#8217;. Yuk. The only demand I have is that it set entertaining and challenging puzzles.</p>
<p>Also had a giggle at &#8216;headteacher&#8217; demanding the same standards of accuracy in a blog chat as in a published work.</p>
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		<title>By: Carrots</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carrots</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2011 23:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Headteacher @40. OOps! Cardinal Sin!! Committing a spelling mistake on Fifteen Squared. I`ll be outside your office tomorrow morning for the usual corrective measures. I shall plead over-influence by American usage which pronounces the expression &quot;Boo-eed-up&quot;. I`ll still get the cane, but go down fighting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Headteacher @40. OOps! Cardinal Sin!! Committing a spelling mistake on Fifteen Squared. I`ll be outside your office tomorrow morning for the usual corrective measures. I shall plead over-influence by American usage which pronounces the expression &#8220;Boo-eed-up&#8221;. I`ll still get the cane, but go down fighting.</p>
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		<title>By: Carrots</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carrots</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2011 22:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Paul B @45. So &quot;Grauniad&quot; is a woman huh? I thought it was a transgender entity...a sort of God which cocks things up occasionally. And &quot;Grauniad Wimmin&quot; no doubt are the Malvolian embodiments of laxity.

Glad that`s solved then.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul B @45. So &#8220;Grauniad&#8221; is a woman huh? I thought it was a transgender entity&#8230;a sort of God which cocks things up occasionally. And &#8220;Grauniad Wimmin&#8221; no doubt are the Malvolian embodiments of laxity.</p>
<p>Glad that`s solved then.</p>
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		<title>By: Sil van den Hoek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sil van den Hoek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2011 22:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Apart from LOBLOLLY, NELUMBO (with ?E?U?B? we had 6 options that were mostly interchangeable) and SINFONIA (which was on hindsight one of the best clues in this puzzle) we managed to solve the rest far far away (remember Slade?) from Helpful Resources - that is, apart from the brainy thing between our ears!

But it took us quite some time which didn&#039;t add much to the joy.
I understand where RCWhiting comes from when he says &quot;That was much better, a good challenge&quot;, but I am surprised by Davy saying &quot;I found today’s Bonxie much easier than yesterday’s Rufus which I only did about three quarters of&quot;. 
Although, maybe it is because Bonxie is mainly focused on construction (with the occasional fine surface) and Rufus&#039; clues are much more natural and a tribute to the (use of the) English language [said the b%&amp;@# foreigner :)].

Since doing crosswords I kept a database of crosswords that I found worthwhile saving. I have no folder with the name &quot;Bonxie&quot;.
He is a very clever setter and there are clues which I admire enormously for various reasons (like today&#039;s 15ac,23ac, 24/25, 7d and the above mentioned 19d). Plus the Clue of the Day: 5d (COLONISE). My PinC was the first to find it and started shouting at me: &#039;this one&#039;s right up your street!&#039; - yes, it was!

But why don&#039;t I have a folder with &quot;Bonxie&quot; on it?
Because for me his crosswords are usually too clinical.
Clever, challenging, ingenious at times, but a lack of Lightness &amp; Wit that might perhaps have been a compensation for the Struggle, but instead often leads to a distorted equilibrium between Time and Pleasure. In a way I admire the craftsmanship, but in the end it just leaves me cold.
No blame on Bonxie (he surely wants to entertain us), but I am not on his wavelength. 

Tonight, after I came home from work, I tackled Tees&#039; puzzle in the Indy. Making me realise that his style of cluing is much more my cup of tea. And putting back a smile on my face :) :).

PS1:
My PinC went completely over the top when she saw MS for &#039;miss&#039;. I (and reading from the posts, others) agree with her. Maybe that&#039;s typically Bonxie: wanting &#039;miss&#039; in the surface being more important than making the odd linguistic mistake.
PS2:
Although we admired the conciseness of 9ac (ORNATE, very neat) we were not happy with &#039;trains&#039; as the anagrind. It is the same as using &#039;Doctors&#039; instead of &#039;Doctor&#039; when coming before the fodder [several times criticised at this site]. Another case of wanting to enhance the surface at the expense of precision.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apart from LOBLOLLY, NELUMBO (with ?E?U?B? we had 6 options that were mostly interchangeable) and SINFONIA (which was on hindsight one of the best clues in this puzzle) we managed to solve the rest far far away (remember Slade?) from Helpful Resources &#8211; that is, apart from the brainy thing between our ears!</p>
<p>But it took us quite some time which didn&#8217;t add much to the joy.<br />
I understand where RCWhiting comes from when he says &#8220;That was much better, a good challenge&#8221;, but I am surprised by Davy saying &#8220;I found today’s Bonxie much easier than yesterday’s Rufus which I only did about three quarters of&#8221;.<br />
Although, maybe it is because Bonxie is mainly focused on construction (with the occasional fine surface) and Rufus&#8217; clues are much more natural and a tribute to the (use of the) English language [said the b%&amp;@# foreigner <img src='http://www.fifteensquared.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> ].</p>
<p>Since doing crosswords I kept a database of crosswords that I found worthwhile saving. I have no folder with the name &#8220;Bonxie&#8221;.<br />
He is a very clever setter and there are clues which I admire enormously for various reasons (like today&#8217;s 15ac,23ac, 24/25, 7d and the above mentioned 19d). Plus the Clue of the Day: 5d (COLONISE). My PinC was the first to find it and started shouting at me: &#8216;this one&#8217;s right up your street!&#8217; &#8211; yes, it was!</p>
<p>But why don&#8217;t I have a folder with &#8220;Bonxie&#8221; on it?<br />
Because for me his crosswords are usually too clinical.<br />
Clever, challenging, ingenious at times, but a lack of Lightness &amp; Wit that might perhaps have been a compensation for the Struggle, but instead often leads to a distorted equilibrium between Time and Pleasure. In a way I admire the craftsmanship, but in the end it just leaves me cold.<br />
No blame on Bonxie (he surely wants to entertain us), but I am not on his wavelength. </p>
<p>Tonight, after I came home from work, I tackled Tees&#8217; puzzle in the Indy. Making me realise that his style of cluing is much more my cup of tea. And putting back a smile on my face <img src='http://www.fifteensquared.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  <img src='http://www.fifteensquared.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
<p>PS1:<br />
My PinC went completely over the top when she saw MS for &#8216;miss&#8217;. I (and reading from the posts, others) agree with her. Maybe that&#8217;s typically Bonxie: wanting &#8216;miss&#8217; in the surface being more important than making the odd linguistic mistake.<br />
PS2:<br />
Although we admired the conciseness of 9ac (ORNATE, very neat) we were not happy with &#8216;trains&#8217; as the anagrind. It is the same as using &#8216;Doctors&#8217; instead of &#8216;Doctor&#8217; when coming before the fodder [several times criticised at this site]. Another case of wanting to enhance the surface at the expense of precision.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul B</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2011/06/14/guardian-25348-bonxie/#comment-161289</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2011 20:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some contributors have concluded that the issue here is that setters should be prevented from using certain words. That&#039;s completely wrong, for as we have seen they will, especially where there is a laxity in stewardship, do just what they please. So no: the matter in fact relates to Grauniad&#039;s growing addiction to insensitivity towards and lack of due consideration for the feelings of her crosswording punters.

Of course, and per Davy, today&#039;s DEMENTIA I thought exceeding good, a stroke of pure brilliance after Terry Pratchett&#039;s inquisitive and moving piece on telly yester eve, which showed how and why victims of dementia in its various forms can be moved to terminate their lives, under their own direction, before dignity is gone. That programme, I rather think, showed just how funny getting old, or even just a little bit older, can really be.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some contributors have concluded that the issue here is that setters should be prevented from using certain words. That&#8217;s completely wrong, for as we have seen they will, especially where there is a laxity in stewardship, do just what they please. So no: the matter in fact relates to Grauniad&#8217;s growing addiction to insensitivity towards and lack of due consideration for the feelings of her crosswording punters.</p>
<p>Of course, and per Davy, today&#8217;s DEMENTIA I thought exceeding good, a stroke of pure brilliance after Terry Pratchett&#8217;s inquisitive and moving piece on telly yester eve, which showed how and why victims of dementia in its various forms can be moved to terminate their lives, under their own direction, before dignity is gone. That programme, I rather think, showed just how funny getting old, or even just a little bit older, can really be.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2011 20:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bah! Managed 3/4 of this before finally giving up, but enjoyed many of the clues, particularly the sneaky punctuation. Quite a few new words for me today, so glad I got as far as I did :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bah! Managed 3/4 of this before finally giving up, but enjoyed many of the clues, particularly the sneaky punctuation. Quite a few new words for me today, so glad I got as far as I did <img src='http://www.fifteensquared.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Giovanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Giovanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2011 19:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Grazie, Geoff @ 30. Molto gentile!

Carrots @ 26. Great news. There&#039;s nothing like being on a high for crossword-solving! Empiricism and serendipity are good, too. They certainly help when one is stuck.

RC Whiting @ 32. I agree, too. The trick is to enjoy our hobby and not take things too seriously: thereby running a risk of becoming a Mr Grouser.

Giovanna]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grazie, Geoff @ 30. Molto gentile!</p>
<p>Carrots @ 26. Great news. There&#8217;s nothing like being on a high for crossword-solving! Empiricism and serendipity are good, too. They certainly help when one is stuck.</p>
<p>RC Whiting @ 32. I agree, too. The trick is to enjoy our hobby and not take things too seriously: thereby running a risk of becoming a Mr Grouser.</p>
<p>Giovanna</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Ellison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Ellison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2011 19:56:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, a late comment today; despite starting at 9am, I have only just completed it  on my nth attempt. I was held up for a while because my memory told me it was BLUE INDIGO, and I had to google to check that.

Nothing really to add to what has already been said. I am in the &quot;don&#039;t mind the theme&quot; camp.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, a late comment today; despite starting at 9am, I have only just completed it  on my nth attempt. I was held up for a while because my memory told me it was BLUE INDIGO, and I had to google to check that.</p>
<p>Nothing really to add to what has already been said. I am in the &#8220;don&#8217;t mind the theme&#8221; camp.</p>
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		<title>By: Davy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Davy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2011 19:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks UY,

I enjoyed this very much and was not put off by the theme of sign(s) of ageing although I am put off by my own aging. When was the &#039;e&#039; introduced and why isn&#039;t raging spelt rageing ?. Favourite clue today was SINFONIA which had an excellent surface. I was surprised that no-one picked up on DEMENTIA after the outcry about bipolar disorder. I can&#039;t see any reason why one should be objected to and not the other. Personally, I would maintain that most words in the dictionary are valid in crosswords providing they are clued appropriately.

This may surprise some people but I found today&#039;s Bonxie much easier than yesterday&#039;s Rufus which I only did about three quarters of. My memory is quite poor these days and there is no way into Rufus&#039;s cryptic and DD clues other than to think of the right word.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks UY,</p>
<p>I enjoyed this very much and was not put off by the theme of sign(s) of ageing although I am put off by my own aging. When was the &#8216;e&#8217; introduced and why isn&#8217;t raging spelt rageing ?. Favourite clue today was SINFONIA which had an excellent surface. I was surprised that no-one picked up on DEMENTIA after the outcry about bipolar disorder. I can&#8217;t see any reason why one should be objected to and not the other. Personally, I would maintain that most words in the dictionary are valid in crosswords providing they are clued appropriately.</p>
<p>This may surprise some people but I found today&#8217;s Bonxie much easier than yesterday&#8217;s Rufus which I only did about three quarters of. My memory is quite poor these days and there is no way into Rufus&#8217;s cryptic and DD clues other than to think of the right word.</p>
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