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		<title>By: otter</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2011/06/27/guardian-25359-rufus/#comment-162507</link>
		<dc:creator>otter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2011 18:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt;&gt; Point taken but as I suggested, exclusive also has the meaning of ‘smart’ and being specially for those of sophisticated tastes and/or lots of money.
In that sense, e.g. a posh suburb, I think one would not talk of a no-go area.

Tupu, that was my point: there is a (to my mind very small) play on the word &#039;exclusive&#039;. In the phrase &#039;exclusive neighbourhood&#039; the first thought is the sense in which only certain people are welcome there, for social reasons and so on. However, especially given that it was obviously meant to be a cryptic definition, it was in my mind only a tiny shift to think of exclusive in the meaning used in the solution. That, coupled with the letter count, as someone else pointed out, made it far too straightforward in my opinion. My feeling on writing it in was a disappointed &#039;Oh, is that it?&#039; rather than a delighted &#039;Ah! That&#039;s it!&#039;

Nothing wrong with the clue in terms of &#039;correctness&#039; from my point of view - just rather pedestrian and obvious without even really having to think about it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt; Point taken but as I suggested, exclusive also has the meaning of ‘smart’ and being specially for those of sophisticated tastes and/or lots of money.<br />
In that sense, e.g. a posh suburb, I think one would not talk of a no-go area.</p>
<p>Tupu, that was my point: there is a (to my mind very small) play on the word &#8216;exclusive&#8217;. In the phrase &#8216;exclusive neighbourhood&#8217; the first thought is the sense in which only certain people are welcome there, for social reasons and so on. However, especially given that it was obviously meant to be a cryptic definition, it was in my mind only a tiny shift to think of exclusive in the meaning used in the solution. That, coupled with the letter count, as someone else pointed out, made it far too straightforward in my opinion. My feeling on writing it in was a disappointed &#8216;Oh, is that it?&#8217; rather than a delighted &#8216;Ah! That&#8217;s it!&#8217;</p>
<p>Nothing wrong with the clue in terms of &#8216;correctness&#8217; from my point of view &#8211; just rather pedestrian and obvious without even really having to think about it.</p>
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		<title>By: RCWhiting</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2011 18:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I might add that if I had beeen forced to come up with a word count of 2-2,4 then I would not want to waste a superb clue since, as Walruss says, it will almost certainly be very easy to solve.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I might add that if I had beeen forced to come up with a word count of 2-2,4 then I would not want to waste a superb clue since, as Walruss says, it will almost certainly be very easy to solve.</p>
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		<title>By: RCWhiting</title>
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		<dc:creator>RCWhiting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2011 18:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Surely it is just a rather ordinary example of distraction.
A word (excluusive) is very commonly used in a certain way (smart, rich etc) but is here used in an alternative BUT COMPLETELY CORRECT situation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surely it is just a rather ordinary example of distraction.<br />
A word (excluusive) is very commonly used in a certain way (smart, rich etc) but is here used in an alternative BUT COMPLETELY CORRECT situation.</p>
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		<title>By: tupu</title>
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		<dc:creator>tupu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2011 16:53:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Andrew

I take your point though I think 
&#039;unsatisfying&#039; rather than &#039;unsatisfactory&#039; might be a better adjective.
It is interesting that you and other critics seem to have different quarrels with the clue e.g. too vague and difficult, too easy, inaccurate etc. Few seem to get the idea of exclusive as &#039;smart&#039; in addition to &#039;excluding&#039;. 
I do agree it is not the most spectacular cd of the sort that Rufus can achieve at his best.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Andrew</p>
<p>I take your point though I think<br />
&#8216;unsatisfying&#8217; rather than &#8216;unsatisfactory&#8217; might be a better adjective.<br />
It is interesting that you and other critics seem to have different quarrels with the clue e.g. too vague and difficult, too easy, inaccurate etc. Few seem to get the idea of exclusive as &#8216;smart&#8217; in addition to &#8216;excluding&#8217;.<br />
I do agree it is not the most spectacular cd of the sort that Rufus can achieve at his best.</p>
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		<title>By: walruss</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2011 15:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#039;Exclusive neighbourhood&#039; is simply not enough for a good cryptic definition. It doesn&#039;t narrow things down sufficiently, so the answer could be many things. As a result I had to base my guesses on the word-count. Easy enoughn, but from a technical viewpoint I don&#039;t suppose it&#039;s much good! The grid was evil as well, with all four corners isolated. Not my best Rufus run-out!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Exclusive neighbourhood&#8217; is simply not enough for a good cryptic definition. It doesn&#8217;t narrow things down sufficiently, so the answer could be many things. As a result I had to base my guesses on the word-count. Easy enoughn, but from a technical viewpoint I don&#8217;t suppose it&#8217;s much good! The grid was evil as well, with all four corners isolated. Not my best Rufus run-out!!</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2011 14:13:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just to clarify my position on NO-GO AREA: my problem with the clue is that it&#039;s one of those where you say &quot;oh, I suppose that must be it&quot; to yourself when you get the answer, rather than &quot;ah, I see!&quot;, as happens with the best CDs, and and was the case for me with SERAGLIO (despite its possible historical inaccuracies).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to clarify my position on NO-GO AREA: my problem with the clue is that it&#8217;s one of those where you say &#8220;oh, I suppose that must be it&#8221; to yourself when you get the answer, rather than &#8220;ah, I see!&#8221;, as happens with the best CDs, and and was the case for me with SERAGLIO (despite its possible historical inaccuracies).</p>
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		<title>By: chas</title>
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		<dc:creator>chas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2011 14:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks tupu - I had forgotten that one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks tupu &#8211; I had forgotten that one.</p>
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		<title>By: tupu</title>
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		<dc:creator>tupu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2011 14:01:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Otter

Point taken but as I suggested, exclusive also has the meaning of &#039;smart&#039; and being specially for those of sophisticated tastes and/or lots of money.
In that sense, e.g. a posh suburb, I think one would not talk of a no-go area.

NB Mystogore @1 seems to have a rather different objection to yours - for him the word is unsuitable, if I understand him rightly, rather than too obvious.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Otter</p>
<p>Point taken but as I suggested, exclusive also has the meaning of &#8216;smart&#8217; and being specially for those of sophisticated tastes and/or lots of money.<br />
In that sense, e.g. a posh suburb, I think one would not talk of a no-go area.</p>
<p>NB Mystogore @1 seems to have a rather different objection to yours &#8211; for him the word is unsuitable, if I understand him rightly, rather than too obvious.</p>
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		<title>By: tupu</title>
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		<dc:creator>tupu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2011 13:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi chas

What about Chrome Plating?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi chas</p>
<p>What about Chrome Plating?</p>
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		<title>By: chas</title>
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		<dc:creator>chas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2011 13:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the blog Andrew.

I had heard of chrome yellow but where is the plate in 22a?

I thought 27a was weak: a fisherman is an angler with &#039;R&#039; on the end. There was nothing in the clue to say &#039;remove the r&#039;.

I did like ARMRESTS.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the blog Andrew.</p>
<p>I had heard of chrome yellow but where is the plate in 22a?</p>
<p>I thought 27a was weak: a fisherman is an angler with &#8216;R&#8217; on the end. There was nothing in the clue to say &#8216;remove the r&#8217;.</p>
<p>I did like ARMRESTS.</p>
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