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		<title>By: otter</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2011/06/29/guardian-25361-brendan/#comment-162848</link>
		<dc:creator>otter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2011 18:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[May I just put in a request of Arachne that after setting a science-based puzzle or two she sets one while bibulously incoherent? That would be fun.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>May I just put in a request of Arachne that after setting a science-based puzzle or two she sets one while bibulously incoherent? That would be fun.</p>
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		<title>By: Sil van den Hoek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sil van den Hoek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2011 15:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, tupu, sometimes the penny drops a bit late.
But you and Duncan are of course right.
The anagram indicator isn&#039;t &#039;scored&#039;, it is indeed &#039;in game, for example?&#039;=(a possible) variation of ENIGMA. 
Giving us within the surface of the clue: .... scored &#039;ENIGMA variation&#039;
Reversing the device, very clever.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, tupu, sometimes the penny drops a bit late.<br />
But you and Duncan are of course right.<br />
The anagram indicator isn&#8217;t &#8216;scored&#8217;, it is indeed &#8216;in game, for example?&#8217;=(a possible) variation of ENIGMA.<br />
Giving us within the surface of the clue: &#8230;. scored &#8216;ENIGMA variation&#8217;<br />
Reversing the device, very clever.</p>
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		<title>By: tupu</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2011/06/29/guardian-25361-brendan/#comment-162757</link>
		<dc:creator>tupu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2011 08:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Sil and Eileen
Re 25a Sil asks re &#039;for example&#039;. As I understand it &#039;scored&#039; is the main anagram indicator. But &#039;for example&#039; must relate to &#039;variation(s)&#039; which is also then a partial indicator that anagrams are about &#039;e.g. in game is a variation of enigma&#039; which is itself a set of variations. Duncan @1 seems to encapsulate this nicely.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sil and Eileen<br />
Re 25a Sil asks re &#8216;for example&#8217;. As I understand it &#8216;scored&#8217; is the main anagram indicator. But &#8216;for example&#8217; must relate to &#8216;variation(s)&#8217; which is also then a partial indicator that anagrams are about &#8216;e.g. in game is a variation of enigma&#8217; which is itself a set of variations. Duncan @1 seems to encapsulate this nicely.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2011 06:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I finished without really understanding some clues...eg I kept looking for a place-name to explain Berg and got Palestrina only over breakfast.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I finished without really understanding some clues&#8230;eg I kept looking for a place-name to explain Berg and got Palestrina only over breakfast.</p>
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		<title>By: Eileen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eileen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 22:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As indicated earlier, perhaps, I had intended to go to bed earlier than this tonight, but I&#039;m glad I didn&#039;t or would have misse two nice messages.

Hi Carrots!

I was so glad to read your comment yesterday and know that it was only [!] transport problems [I was worried!] that kept you from us on Saturday - you were sorely missed!

Your second paragraph makes me very envious of what I missed during my day out - arranged before I realised the significance of the date [should have known better - but then look at last Saturday!]

And Sil, I&#039;m glad we broadly agree: as I said, Collins [hush, say it softly, my personal favourite :-)] gives &#039;arrange&#039;.

And now, seriously, as Pepys said, ...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As indicated earlier, perhaps, I had intended to go to bed earlier than this tonight, but I&#8217;m glad I didn&#8217;t or would have misse two nice messages.</p>
<p>Hi Carrots!</p>
<p>I was so glad to read your comment yesterday and know that it was only [!] transport problems [I was worried!] that kept you from us on Saturday &#8211; you were sorely missed!</p>
<p>Your second paragraph makes me very envious of what I missed during my day out &#8211; arranged before I realised the significance of the date [should have known better - but then look at last Saturday!]</p>
<p>And Sil, I&#8217;m glad we broadly agree: as I said, Collins [hush, say it softly, my personal favourite <img src='http://www.fifteensquared.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> ] gives &#8216;arrange&#8217;.</p>
<p>And now, seriously, as Pepys said, &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Sil van den Hoek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sil van den Hoek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 22:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Eileen, I don&#039;t want to blow up the discussion around ELGAR, but personally I am not very convinced by &#039;scored&#039; as an anagram indicator. I cannot find something in Chambers that points in that direction and its Crossword Dictionary doesn&#039;t mention it in its extensive list. 
But I am hardly ever against stretching the boundaries, so: I surrender! :)
(because my intuition does agree with you)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eileen, I don&#8217;t want to blow up the discussion around ELGAR, but personally I am not very convinced by &#8216;scored&#8217; as an anagram indicator. I cannot find something in Chambers that points in that direction and its Crossword Dictionary doesn&#8217;t mention it in its extensive list.<br />
But I am hardly ever against stretching the boundaries, so: I surrender! <img src='http://www.fifteensquared.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
(because my intuition does agree with you)</p>
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		<title>By: Carrots</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carrots</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 22:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Eileen: you are such a star...and I would even swap you for my favourite Weimaraner (if he was still alive) who tended to eat crosswords rather than solve them.

The problem I had with Brendan`s spiffing puzzle today was to attempt it whilst glued to Tsonga trouncing Federer. This caused something of a cognitive overload and I woke up with strawberries and clotted cream smeared all over my shirt already soaked with Pierre Jouet. Maybe I was unduly distracted, but on more than one occasion (O.K.,...seven of them) I found myself guessing the answer and working backwards to parse the clue.

But, having cracked most of Brendan`s masterpiece (BRAHMS and BERG were my downfalls) I thought the least I could do was toast Murray on his way to the semi-finals.....

...and, you guessed it: GAME THEORY won and I`ve just woken up (again!)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eileen: you are such a star&#8230;and I would even swap you for my favourite Weimaraner (if he was still alive) who tended to eat crosswords rather than solve them.</p>
<p>The problem I had with Brendan`s spiffing puzzle today was to attempt it whilst glued to Tsonga trouncing Federer. This caused something of a cognitive overload and I woke up with strawberries and clotted cream smeared all over my shirt already soaked with Pierre Jouet. Maybe I was unduly distracted, but on more than one occasion (O.K.,&#8230;seven of them) I found myself guessing the answer and working backwards to parse the clue.</p>
<p>But, having cracked most of Brendan`s masterpiece (BRAHMS and BERG were my downfalls) I thought the least I could do was toast Murray on his way to the semi-finals&#8230;..</p>
<p>&#8230;and, you guessed it: GAME THEORY won and I`ve just woken up (again!)</p>
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		<title>By: Eileen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eileen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 21:51:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Sil et al

Re 25ac: you have added to my chagrin over my failure on this one, which I know I would have got on another day! [But it&#039;s not so bad if it stumped you and your P-in-C, too&#039; :-)] Scored&#039; can mean &#039;composed the music for&#039;, i.e. Elgar scored &#039;Enigma Variations&#039; or [Collins] &#039;arranged&#039; [music] which is, for me, a perfectly acceptable anagram indicator for IN GAME.

I can&#039;t tell you how frustrated I am at not getting this, especially since I had met this anagram before, in a similar clue, and then not being able to find it. Usually, it&#039;s a not too difficult task to look back through the site archive. In this instance, it throws up every single &#039;Enigmatist&#039; puzzle plus all the &#039;Enigmatic Variations&#039;!! I haven&#039;t had time today to trawl through anything else, so I must let it lie, I think. Grrrh!

&quot;The AD for Dvorak was a bit sneaky, we thought, but it’s all right.&quot;

Far better than &#039;all right&#039;, I think: I thought it was excellent - when I got there!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sil et al</p>
<p>Re 25ac: you have added to my chagrin over my failure on this one, which I know I would have got on another day! [But it's not so bad if it stumped you and your P-in-C, too' <img src='http://www.fifteensquared.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> ] Scored&#8217; can mean &#8216;composed the music for&#8217;, i.e. Elgar scored &#8216;Enigma Variations&#8217; or [Collins] &#8216;arranged&#8217; [music] which is, for me, a perfectly acceptable anagram indicator for IN GAME.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t tell you how frustrated I am at not getting this, especially since I had met this anagram before, in a similar clue, and then not being able to find it. Usually, it&#8217;s a not too difficult task to look back through the site archive. In this instance, it throws up every single &#8216;Enigmatist&#8217; puzzle plus all the &#8216;Enigmatic Variations&#8217;!! I haven&#8217;t had time today to trawl through anything else, so I must let it lie, I think. Grrrh!</p>
<p>&#8220;The AD for Dvorak was a bit sneaky, we thought, but it’s all right.&#8221;</p>
<p>Far better than &#8216;all right&#8217;, I think: I thought it was excellent &#8211; when I got there!</p>
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		<title>By: Sil van den Hoek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sil van den Hoek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 20:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another nice one by Brendan.
Even though halfway I got a bit (only a bit) annoyed by yet another anagram of THEME (in 11ac and 23 ac they were even identical!).

Last ones to go in the 4 short ones.
What a well worked out idea, GO[U]LD/BERG-BACH.
2d&#039;s B stumped us (we liked &#039;together with&#039; for &#039;and&#039; - sometimes we like simple things).
I have hundreds of classical cd&#039;s and a subscription to two classical music magazines, but I have never come across the 3B&#039;s. But, Eileen, you must be right.

The AD for Dvorak was a bit sneaky, we thought, but it&#039;s all right.
Re 5d and also 23ac, it is perhaps worth knowing that both Dvorak and Brahms made famous variations too. Dvorak wrote &quot;Symphonic Variations&quot;, while Brahms enriched the world with his &quot;Variations on a theme of Haydn&quot;.

We understood the &#039;one finishing below&#039; bit of 3d, explained by Andrew, but were defeated by the &#039;in game&#039; anagram in 25ac.
Of course, a very nice combination: &#039;.... scored in game ....&#039;.
Nobody seems to care about the anagram indicator here. It isn&#039;t &#039;for example?&#039;, is it? Or am I missing something?

Clever puzzle.
We first thought that it would be a walkover (after starting with the two hiddens), but it was not. A four-setter that we won without understanding how we scored the final two points ....

Thanks Brendan!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another nice one by Brendan.<br />
Even though halfway I got a bit (only a bit) annoyed by yet another anagram of THEME (in 11ac and 23 ac they were even identical!).</p>
<p>Last ones to go in the 4 short ones.<br />
What a well worked out idea, GO[U]LD/BERG-BACH.<br />
2d&#8217;s B stumped us (we liked &#8216;together with&#8217; for &#8216;and&#8217; &#8211; sometimes we like simple things).<br />
I have hundreds of classical cd&#8217;s and a subscription to two classical music magazines, but I have never come across the 3B&#8217;s. But, Eileen, you must be right.</p>
<p>The AD for Dvorak was a bit sneaky, we thought, but it&#8217;s all right.<br />
Re 5d and also 23ac, it is perhaps worth knowing that both Dvorak and Brahms made famous variations too. Dvorak wrote &#8220;Symphonic Variations&#8221;, while Brahms enriched the world with his &#8220;Variations on a theme of Haydn&#8221;.</p>
<p>We understood the &#8216;one finishing below&#8217; bit of 3d, explained by Andrew, but were defeated by the &#8216;in game&#8217; anagram in 25ac.<br />
Of course, a very nice combination: &#8216;&#8230;. scored in game &#8230;.&#8217;.<br />
Nobody seems to care about the anagram indicator here. It isn&#8217;t &#8216;for example?&#8217;, is it? Or am I missing something?</p>
<p>Clever puzzle.<br />
We first thought that it would be a walkover (after starting with the two hiddens), but it was not. A four-setter that we won without understanding how we scored the final two points &#8230;.</p>
<p>Thanks Brendan!</p>
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		<title>By: tupu</title>
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		<dc:creator>tupu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 20:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thomas99 @31 et al

Re &#039;nerve&#039; v. tr. I have a feeling that I have heard the expression &#039;nerve oneself for the struggle/task ahead&#039; (rather than the idea of nerving someone else. There is of course the more common opposite &#039;unnerve&#039;.

Arachne and MattD re science.

As a non-scientist in a majority scientific community, I agree very much that the 2 cultures problem is generally one of ignorance on the part of &#039;arts/humanities&#039; people than on that of scientists (though there are of course some philistines about). This is not altogether surprising when &#039;science&#039; is so technical and, often, mathematically based and scientists themselves live in society and culture. 

At the same time to set a crossword on linguistics, or anthropology, or French medieval literature or post-structuralist philosophy does not seem a very good idea either compared with one on music or English literature where a wide range of people with different backgrounds can hope to participate. 

More positively, I suppose a &#039;scientific&#039; topic that is broad enough and topical enough to be more feasible might be &#039;evolution&#039; but I have a feeling that may have been tried (I don&#039;t have an archive to check).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas99 @31 et al</p>
<p>Re &#8216;nerve&#8217; v. tr. I have a feeling that I have heard the expression &#8216;nerve oneself for the struggle/task ahead&#8217; (rather than the idea of nerving someone else. There is of course the more common opposite &#8216;unnerve&#8217;.</p>
<p>Arachne and MattD re science.</p>
<p>As a non-scientist in a majority scientific community, I agree very much that the 2 cultures problem is generally one of ignorance on the part of &#8216;arts/humanities&#8217; people than on that of scientists (though there are of course some philistines about). This is not altogether surprising when &#8216;science&#8217; is so technical and, often, mathematically based and scientists themselves live in society and culture. </p>
<p>At the same time to set a crossword on linguistics, or anthropology, or French medieval literature or post-structuralist philosophy does not seem a very good idea either compared with one on music or English literature where a wide range of people with different backgrounds can hope to participate. </p>
<p>More positively, I suppose a &#8216;scientific&#8217; topic that is broad enough and topical enough to be more feasible might be &#8216;evolution&#8217; but I have a feeling that may have been tried (I don&#8217;t have an archive to check).</p>
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