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		<title>By: nmsindy</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2011/07/08/independent-7715phi/#comment-164182</link>
		<dc:creator>nmsindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jul 2011 22:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I saw the clue led v directly to PICI (I suspected Phi was trying to make it very easy for us because of the obscurity of the answer) but then could not find it in dicts.   A specialised pasta internet site confirmed it.   Quite an achievement to fit all the pasta in and not too difficult a puzzle overall once the theme was seen, which I did fairly early on.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw the clue led v directly to PICI (I suspected Phi was trying to make it very easy for us because of the obscurity of the answer) but then could not find it in dicts.   A specialised pasta internet site confirmed it.   Quite an achievement to fit all the pasta in and not too difficult a puzzle overall once the theme was seen, which I did fairly early on.</p>
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		<title>By: scchua</title>
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		<dc:creator>scchua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jul 2011 02:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[PS.  #12 (written hurriedly just before breakfast).  Now that I&#039;ve finished, in my defence, can only say that I originally got the answer as &quot;not so&quot; = &quot;medium&quot; = M (size) + &quot;soft&quot; = P.  Then blindsided myself into thinking (wrongly) that flashling had gone the same route.

Interesting that recently I made the obverse error.  Tried to parse &quot;following year&quot; as FY instead of F + Y.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS.  #12 (written hurriedly just before breakfast).  Now that I&#8217;ve finished, in my defence, can only say that I originally got the answer as &#8220;not so&#8221; = &#8220;medium&#8221; = M (size) + &#8220;soft&#8221; = P.  Then blindsided myself into thinking (wrongly) that flashling had gone the same route.</p>
<p>Interesting that recently I made the obverse error.  Tried to parse &#8220;following year&#8221; as FY instead of F + Y.</p>
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		<title>By: flashling</title>
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		<dc:creator>flashling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jul 2011 01:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry should have said mezzo piano for MP thought it was better known. Didn&#039;t spot the gaelic cock up. Thomas99 seems to spot all of mine.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry should have said mezzo piano for MP thought it was better known. Didn&#8217;t spot the gaelic cock up. Thomas99 seems to spot all of mine.</p>
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		<title>By: scchua</title>
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		<dc:creator>scchua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jul 2011 23:38:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#4 &amp; 5.  Sorry flashling and thanks Eileen.  Of course that&#039;s what mp is! Having said that there was pasta, wine and song, my mind then went AWOL :-) .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#4 &amp; 5.  Sorry flashling and thanks Eileen.  Of course that&#8217;s what mp is! Having said that there was pasta, wine and song, my mind then went AWOL <img src='http://www.fifteensquared.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  .</p>
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		<title>By: caretman</title>
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		<dc:creator>caretman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jul 2011 22:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Wil @9.  I too had to cheat to confirm the final pastas in this puzzle.  I found PICI by searching wikipedia for &#039;types of pasta&#039; and getting directed to

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pasta)

There&#039;s even a picture of it under &#039;Long Pasta and Noodles&#039;, and it&#039;s described as very thick, long, and hand-rolled.

It&#039;s interesting to see which forms of pasta people seem unfamiliar with.  ZITI is quite common over here, for example, and I&#039;ve encountered all of the pastas clued except TAGLIARINI and CONCHIGLIE (actually, from its description I&#039;ve probably encountered the latter as well but not that name for it).  I tried to solve as much of the puzzle as I could without referring to references, but finally did need to go there for the last few pastas (and for the important opera composer; I must confess that I&#039;m one of those solvers who know nothing of *both* opera composers and football players so I&#039;m out of luck either way).  Although most of pasta clues didn&#039;t do much for me (other than ZITI which I enjoyed as soon as I solved it), there were a lot of down clues that I liked a lot.  Thanks, Phi, for the puzzle!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Wil @9.  I too had to cheat to confirm the final pastas in this puzzle.  I found PICI by searching wikipedia for &#8216;types of pasta&#8217; and getting directed to</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pasta" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pasta</a>)</p>
<p>There&#8217;s even a picture of it under &#8216;Long Pasta and Noodles&#8217;, and it&#8217;s described as very thick, long, and hand-rolled.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting to see which forms of pasta people seem unfamiliar with.  ZITI is quite common over here, for example, and I&#8217;ve encountered all of the pastas clued except TAGLIARINI and CONCHIGLIE (actually, from its description I&#8217;ve probably encountered the latter as well but not that name for it).  I tried to solve as much of the puzzle as I could without referring to references, but finally did need to go there for the last few pastas (and for the important opera composer; I must confess that I&#8217;m one of those solvers who know nothing of *both* opera composers and football players so I&#8217;m out of luck either way).  Although most of pasta clues didn&#8217;t do much for me (other than ZITI which I enjoyed as soon as I solved it), there were a lot of down clues that I liked a lot.  Thanks, Phi, for the puzzle!</p>
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		<title>By: Scarpia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scarpia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jul 2011 22:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Ali,
  I have to admit to cheating on this one - used Chamber&#039;s Crossword Lists for some of the answers.Couldn&#039;t find PICI but it was pretty obvious from the wordplay.Still enjoyed parsing the answers after &#039;cheating&#039;.

To my mind Cimarosa is not that obscure,as Phi rightly says,an important opera composer in his day(over 80 operas).Il Matrimonio Segreto is a very funny light opera.
He also wrote a lovely Messa Da Requiem, well worth checking out if you like sacred music.I think most of it is available on Youtube,here&#039;s a link to the Ingemisco   http://tinyurl.com/5uxc9h8

Thanks Phi,for that rarity - an Indy puzzle without a soccer reference!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Ali,<br />
  I have to admit to cheating on this one &#8211; used Chamber&#8217;s Crossword Lists for some of the answers.Couldn&#8217;t find PICI but it was pretty obvious from the wordplay.Still enjoyed parsing the answers after &#8216;cheating&#8217;.</p>
<p>To my mind Cimarosa is not that obscure,as Phi rightly says,an important opera composer in his day(over 80 operas).Il Matrimonio Segreto is a very funny light opera.<br />
He also wrote a lovely Messa Da Requiem, well worth checking out if you like sacred music.I think most of it is available on Youtube,here&#8217;s a link to the Ingemisco   <a href="http://tinyurl.com/5uxc9h8" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/5uxc9h8</a></p>
<p>Thanks Phi,for that rarity &#8211; an Indy puzzle without a soccer reference!</p>
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		<title>By: Wil Ransome</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wil Ransome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jul 2011 22:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m right behind you, Phi. Prefer Cimarosa to Rooney any day.

Pici?? Not in Chambers, nor in the list of pasta types in Chambers Crossword Companion. Nor Bradford or the COD. Where is it to be found?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m right behind you, Phi. Prefer Cimarosa to Rooney any day.</p>
<p>Pici?? Not in Chambers, nor in the list of pasta types in Chambers Crossword Companion. Nor Bradford or the COD. Where is it to be found?</p>
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		<title>By: Phi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jul 2011 21:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, ziti we actually had in the house when I did the puzzle, along with a type I couldn&#039;t find any ready reference to anywhere, so be grateful I didn&#039;t try that one - it&#039;s what comes of going to the regular Italian food fair they have here in Wellington - you bring home lots of packets with intriguing collections of letters on.  But I admit to not having come across pici before either.  Nor have I actually eaten tagliarini - but, without being an especial fan of pasta - I have tried all the rest.

Cimarosa was an important opera composer in his day, though you tend only to get Il Matrimonio Segreto staged these days.  On a par, for me, with all those references to current soccer players that others seem fond of.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, ziti we actually had in the house when I did the puzzle, along with a type I couldn&#8217;t find any ready reference to anywhere, so be grateful I didn&#8217;t try that one &#8211; it&#8217;s what comes of going to the regular Italian food fair they have here in Wellington &#8211; you bring home lots of packets with intriguing collections of letters on.  But I admit to not having come across pici before either.  Nor have I actually eaten tagliarini &#8211; but, without being an especial fan of pasta &#8211; I have tried all the rest.</p>
<p>Cimarosa was an important opera composer in his day, though you tend only to get Il Matrimonio Segreto staged these days.  On a par, for me, with all those references to current soccer players that others seem fond of.</p>
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		<title>By: ele</title>
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		<dc:creator>ele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jul 2011 17:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Ali and to flashling and Eileen for expaining 4d. Once I saw the theme, I tried to do this strictly from the wordplay without looking up pasta types and I think to be fair to Phi all were obtainable from the wordplay, given that it had to make some sort of Italian word, even 7 and 21ac. And I&#039;ve heard of Cimarosa :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Ali and to flashling and Eileen for expaining 4d. Once I saw the theme, I tried to do this strictly from the wordplay without looking up pasta types and I think to be fair to Phi all were obtainable from the wordplay, given that it had to make some sort of Italian word, even 7 and 21ac. And I&#8217;ve heard of Cimarosa <img src='http://www.fifteensquared.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jul 2011 16:21:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ziti, yes pici, no. I can&#039;t find this in any dictionary, including the (online)OED. Nor is Cimarosa a  composer with whom most of us will be familiar, I think. As Cumbrian says, an irritating little number. Is Phi pasta his or her best?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ziti, yes pici, no. I can&#8217;t find this in any dictionary, including the (online)OED. Nor is Cimarosa a  composer with whom most of us will be familiar, I think. As Cumbrian says, an irritating little number. Is Phi pasta his or her best?</p>
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