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		<title>By: Allan_C</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2011/07/14/independent-7721radian/#comment-164999</link>
		<dc:creator>Allan_C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jul 2011 08:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I’m inclined towards the Mark Twain-ish view.

Radian says that in his book it’s not fair to expect solvers to work out what’s being abbreviated AND THEN add that into the anagram fodder, but I don’t have any problem with that.  Cinephile had a clue like that in Wednesday&#039;s FT and I saw the answer straightaway.

And I agree with others that lice are not eggs - although in common parlance I suppose &#039;headlice&#039; are equivalent to &#039;nits&#039;.  A bit of political correctness, perhaps; the letters that came from school always referrred to the former, not the latter.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m inclined towards the Mark Twain-ish view.</p>
<p>Radian says that in his book it’s not fair to expect solvers to work out what’s being abbreviated AND THEN add that into the anagram fodder, but I don’t have any problem with that.  Cinephile had a clue like that in Wednesday&#8217;s FT and I saw the answer straightaway.</p>
<p>And I agree with others that lice are not eggs &#8211; although in common parlance I suppose &#8216;headlice&#8217; are equivalent to &#8216;nits&#8217;.  A bit of political correctness, perhaps; the letters that came from school always referrred to the former, not the latter.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2011 21:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can&#039;t see it as all that indirect if the indication is well-known. Wife for W plus DOES* seems perfectly fair to me, So the like of &#039;Divine wife does shift&#039; (with a touch of plural usage, so as to discriminate against W+anag) you might very well find in a Tees puzzle. But with Radian&#039;s alternative stipulation, the &#039;passing round&#039; is needed. Plus, of golf course, it&#039;s elegant.

So this was top hole. Although I&#039;m sure that&#039;s rude in some mysterious way. Incidentally I met someone today who is called K Hole! I don&#039;t know how many of you are into illegal drug-taking, but if you don&#039;t know what a k-hole is ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K-hole]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t see it as all that indirect if the indication is well-known. Wife for W plus DOES* seems perfectly fair to me, So the like of &#8216;Divine wife does shift&#8217; (with a touch of plural usage, so as to discriminate against W+anag) you might very well find in a Tees puzzle. But with Radian&#8217;s alternative stipulation, the &#8216;passing round&#8217; is needed. Plus, of golf course, it&#8217;s elegant.</p>
<p>So this was top hole. Although I&#8217;m sure that&#8217;s rude in some mysterious way. Incidentally I met someone today who is called K Hole! I don&#8217;t know how many of you are into illegal drug-taking, but if you don&#8217;t know what a k-hole is &#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K-hole" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K-hole</a></p>
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		<title>By: ele</title>
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		<dc:creator>ele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2011 21:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks to Radian for an entertaining puzzle (although I&#039;m not a golfer that didn&#039;t really matter and makes a nice change from football) and to Ali for the blog. Now I&#039;ve seen the comments about 6d I don&#039;t feel so bad about not getting it - lice certainly do NOT = eggs (and I&#039;ve never heard of a round of bread). Caspar David Friedrich (first in for me although I worried about spa as I&#039;d never heard of a racetrack of that name) was a landscape painter of the romantic variety - his Sea of Ice is worth a look. http://www.caspardavidfriedrich.org/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to Radian for an entertaining puzzle (although I&#8217;m not a golfer that didn&#8217;t really matter and makes a nice change from football) and to Ali for the blog. Now I&#8217;ve seen the comments about 6d I don&#8217;t feel so bad about not getting it &#8211; lice certainly do NOT = eggs (and I&#8217;ve never heard of a round of bread). Caspar David Friedrich (first in for me although I worried about spa as I&#8217;d never heard of a racetrack of that name) was a landscape painter of the romantic variety &#8211; his Sea of Ice is worth a look. <a href="http://www.caspardavidfriedrich.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.caspardavidfriedrich.org/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sil van den Hoek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sil van den Hoek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2011 20:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Radian, I just saw 4ac as W[ife] + DOES with &quot;shifts&quot; as the anagrind. For some perhaps an indirect anagram, but for me as simple as that. So therefore, I didn&#039;t need &quot;passing round&quot;.
That said, I know some ellipses are justified by &quot;A+B are really nice together&quot;, and this one was probably a good example.
I really enjoyed this puzzle as I did Redshank&#039;s [only 8 comments ... a real shame], but I hope you don&#039;t Crucify me for the critical remarks &quot;on the other side&quot;.

This one was top-notch !! (OK, let&#039;s have another one: !)

[and many thanks to Ali]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Radian, I just saw 4ac as W[ife] + DOES with &#8220;shifts&#8221; as the anagrind. For some perhaps an indirect anagram, but for me as simple as that. So therefore, I didn&#8217;t need &#8220;passing round&#8221;.<br />
That said, I know some ellipses are justified by &#8220;A+B are really nice together&#8221;, and this one was probably a good example.<br />
I really enjoyed this puzzle as I did Redshank&#8217;s [only 8 comments ... a real shame], but I hope you don&#8217;t Crucify me for the critical remarks &#8220;on the other side&#8221;.</p>
<p>This one was top-notch !! (OK, let&#8217;s have another one: !)</p>
<p>[and many thanks to Ali]</p>
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		<title>By: Radian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Radian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2011 19:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I always look forward to your studied analysis and comments, Sil. You are incredibly observant! So I hope you don&#039;t mind me cavilling just a little at your &#039;only minus point&#039;. One of my no-nos (save in emergencies) is to make an anagram of word(s) and abbreviations. In my book it&#039;s not fair to expect solvers to work out what&#039;s being abbreviated AND THEN add that into the anagram fodder. In other words, a containment indicator is needed in this clue: DOES* passing round W. The fact that the two clues run together rather pleasantly is a bonus.

Since you didn&#039;t mention it, I trust you liked the 9X repetition of ROUND, although in golf that number would normally cover more than two events. Nice to see Rory making it big time in the Dutch press! And I must try to remember that &#039;rant&#039; in Dutch seems a whole lot gentler a word than in English, though some of our papers could do with some honesty in their mastheads. &#039;StarRant&#039; for a start? According to my Collins, our word comes from yours, and yours means &#039;to rave&#039;. So maybe I&#039;m wrong. The People&#039;s Rave??? Surely not.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always look forward to your studied analysis and comments, Sil. You are incredibly observant! So I hope you don&#8217;t mind me cavilling just a little at your &#8216;only minus point&#8217;. One of my no-nos (save in emergencies) is to make an anagram of word(s) and abbreviations. In my book it&#8217;s not fair to expect solvers to work out what&#8217;s being abbreviated AND THEN add that into the anagram fodder. In other words, a containment indicator is needed in this clue: DOES* passing round W. The fact that the two clues run together rather pleasantly is a bonus.</p>
<p>Since you didn&#8217;t mention it, I trust you liked the 9X repetition of ROUND, although in golf that number would normally cover more than two events. Nice to see Rory making it big time in the Dutch press! And I must try to remember that &#8216;rant&#8217; in Dutch seems a whole lot gentler a word than in English, though some of our papers could do with some honesty in their mastheads. &#8216;StarRant&#8217; for a start? According to my Collins, our word comes from yours, and yours means &#8216;to rave&#8217;. So maybe I&#8217;m wrong. The People&#8217;s Rave??? Surely not.</p>
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		<title>By: Sil van den Hoek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sil van den Hoek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2011 18:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just finished this crossword. Did it in two sessions, with the Crucible ánd (not unimportant) reading yesterday&#039;s paper (a Dutch one, for which I have an internet subscription) in between.

To be very clear: this puzzle was a whole lot better than the one in the Guardian. As Eileen said, perhaps a pity that this setter&#039;s Redshank puzzle in the FT [a lovely one!] wasn&#039;t scheduled for today.

Where this FT crossword had a lot of F&#039;s and T&#039;s, this one had many &quot;par&quot;s here.
Very original to include 4 PARs with different clues - I liked it, and it opened up the puzzle for me.

I am not into Golf at all, but I especially liked OVER THE HILL (12ac) and CHIP SHOTS (14ac).
Additional plusses for 9ac, 7d, 15d and 16d.

After my morning session I had RORY + the rest of &quot;Mirror coyly&quot; in 19ac. As I said, I went through yesterday&#039;s Volkskrant (more or less Holland&#039;s Guardian) and there it was: a full page article on Rory McIlroy heading &quot;Predestinated to be a superstar&quot;. What a coincidence. And it gave me a missing word in today&#039;s Guardian too.

14d&#039;s CATTINESS did remind me of yesterday&#039;s Puck (on the &quot;other side&quot;). He had &quot;Catty talk?&quot; for &quot;bitchiness&quot; and here we have &quot;cattiness&quot; for &quot;bitchy attitude&quot;.

5ac (CASPAR) was the last one in. I didn&#039;t know this Mr Friedrich, but there had to be a &quot;par&quot; in it. Btw, for me (as a continental from the lowlands) SPA is not really &quot;racetrack&quot;, as we (the ones on the other side of the North Sea) always speak of &quot;Francorchamps&quot;. To Dutch people SPA is mineral water (like Evian or Volvic here).
That said, the Belgian race course has of, er, course it&#039;s name linked to it.

Radian was in a hidden/clothes mood today as both hiddens here (which unfortunately did intersect) ánd one in the Guardian had the word &#039;clothes&#039; in it.

Only minus point for me: the ellipsis DOWSE/COCKTAILS.
In 4d &quot;passing round&quot; is completely superfluous, and 5d works well without the dots that start the ellipsis (one that, I think, didn&#039;t make sense).

Otherwise, my Crossword of the Day!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just finished this crossword. Did it in two sessions, with the Crucible ánd (not unimportant) reading yesterday&#8217;s paper (a Dutch one, for which I have an internet subscription) in between.</p>
<p>To be very clear: this puzzle was a whole lot better than the one in the Guardian. As Eileen said, perhaps a pity that this setter&#8217;s Redshank puzzle in the FT [a lovely one!] wasn&#8217;t scheduled for today.</p>
<p>Where this FT crossword had a lot of F&#8217;s and T&#8217;s, this one had many &#8220;par&#8221;s here.<br />
Very original to include 4 PARs with different clues &#8211; I liked it, and it opened up the puzzle for me.</p>
<p>I am not into Golf at all, but I especially liked OVER THE HILL (12ac) and CHIP SHOTS (14ac).<br />
Additional plusses for 9ac, 7d, 15d and 16d.</p>
<p>After my morning session I had RORY + the rest of &#8220;Mirror coyly&#8221; in 19ac. As I said, I went through yesterday&#8217;s Volkskrant (more or less Holland&#8217;s Guardian) and there it was: a full page article on Rory McIlroy heading &#8220;Predestinated to be a superstar&#8221;. What a coincidence. And it gave me a missing word in today&#8217;s Guardian too.</p>
<p>14d&#8217;s CATTINESS did remind me of yesterday&#8217;s Puck (on the &#8220;other side&#8221;). He had &#8220;Catty talk?&#8221; for &#8220;bitchiness&#8221; and here we have &#8220;cattiness&#8221; for &#8220;bitchy attitude&#8221;.</p>
<p>5ac (CASPAR) was the last one in. I didn&#8217;t know this Mr Friedrich, but there had to be a &#8220;par&#8221; in it. Btw, for me (as a continental from the lowlands) SPA is not really &#8220;racetrack&#8221;, as we (the ones on the other side of the North Sea) always speak of &#8220;Francorchamps&#8221;. To Dutch people SPA is mineral water (like Evian or Volvic here).<br />
That said, the Belgian race course has of, er, course it&#8217;s name linked to it.</p>
<p>Radian was in a hidden/clothes mood today as both hiddens here (which unfortunately did intersect) ánd one in the Guardian had the word &#8216;clothes&#8217; in it.</p>
<p>Only minus point for me: the ellipsis DOWSE/COCKTAILS.<br />
In 4d &#8220;passing round&#8221; is completely superfluous, and 5d works well without the dots that start the ellipsis (one that, I think, didn&#8217;t make sense).</p>
<p>Otherwise, my Crossword of the Day!</p>
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		<title>By: caretman</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2011 17:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, walruss, for the answer.  Googling &#039;bread round&#039; gave me a wikipedia link to &#039;round of bread&#039;.  It was an expression I wasn&#039;t familiar with, so now I&#039;ve added it to my store of knowledge (probably to be forgotten the next time I need it).  And I agree with NealH and Mick H that &#039;eggs&#039; does not equal LICE, which made 6d doubly hard to work out.  Still, it was a very good puzzle even with the pieces I had to guess on.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, walruss, for the answer.  Googling &#8216;bread round&#8217; gave me a wikipedia link to &#8217;round of bread&#8217;.  It was an expression I wasn&#8217;t familiar with, so now I&#8217;ve added it to my store of knowledge (probably to be forgotten the next time I need it).  And I agree with NealH and Mick H that &#8216;eggs&#8217; does not equal LICE, which made 6d doubly hard to work out.  Still, it was a very good puzzle even with the pieces I had to guess on.</p>
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		<title>By: flashling</title>
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		<dc:creator>flashling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2011 17:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m with Mick &amp; Heal H on 6d unless there&#039;s more to this. Anyway I&#039;m off to bunker myself in at the 19th...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Mick &amp; Heal H on 6d unless there&#8217;s more to this. Anyway I&#8217;m off to bunker myself in at the 19th&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mick H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mick H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2011 16:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m with NealH here - apologies for, er, nit-picking, but a nit is the egg of a louse. That&#039;s why I didn&#039;t get 6 down! otherwise, a great puzzle even though I&#039;m a bit handicapped on this theme. 26 ac was a particular favourite.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with NealH here &#8211; apologies for, er, nit-picking, but a nit is the egg of a louse. That&#8217;s why I didn&#8217;t get 6 down! otherwise, a great puzzle even though I&#8217;m a bit handicapped on this theme. 26 ac was a particular favourite.</p>
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		<title>By: NealH</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2011 15:42:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was a bit more dubious about lice for eggs.  Surely louse is normally used to refer to the insect rather than its egg, as opposed to nit, which normally does mean the egg.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was a bit more dubious about lice for eggs.  Surely louse is normally used to refer to the insect rather than its egg, as opposed to nit, which normally does mean the egg.</p>
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