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	<title>Comments on: Guardian Prize Puzzle No 25,376 by Araucaria</title>
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		<title>By: bridgesong</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2011/07/23/guardian-prize-puzzle-no-25376-by-araucaria/#comment-165958</link>
		<dc:creator>bridgesong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jul 2011 20:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, all for your comments.  Nice to spark a debate.  

Stella @9 I think you&#039;ve got your bloggers confused; Rightback hasn&#039;t blogged a Saturday prize puzzle for some months now, but I have no doubt he would have polished this one off in under a quarter of an hour.  As for INCORPORATED, I&#039;m with scchua @12.   Would it be fair to classify &quot;vulgar parlance&quot; as hackneyed in this case?

Martin H @19, Chambers offers this definition:&quot; when (a certain time) comes (as in Come five o&#039;clock, it will be dark outside)&quot;, classifying it as a usage of the 3rd person singular, especially in the subjunctive.  I accept however that the clue is defective, which may explain why it took me so long to parse it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, all for your comments.  Nice to spark a debate.  </p>
<p>Stella @9 I think you&#8217;ve got your bloggers confused; Rightback hasn&#8217;t blogged a Saturday prize puzzle for some months now, but I have no doubt he would have polished this one off in under a quarter of an hour.  As for INCORPORATED, I&#8217;m with scchua @12.   Would it be fair to classify &#8220;vulgar parlance&#8221; as hackneyed in this case?</p>
<p>Martin H @19, Chambers offers this definition:&#8221; when (a certain time) comes (as in Come five o&#8217;clock, it will be dark outside)&#8221;, classifying it as a usage of the 3rd person singular, especially in the subjunctive.  I accept however that the clue is defective, which may explain why it took me so long to parse it.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jul 2011 19:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[1a : &#039;come&#039; might mean something like &#039;by the time that&#039;, but can&#039;t be substituted for it; in the example you give, bridgesong, you would still need the verb: &#039;by the time that winter comes&#039;.

14d: I never like regional pronunciation &#039;homophones&#039;, and this was no exception - and if you do rub with sandpaper that makes you a rubber, not the sandpaper.

Otherwise this was most enjoyable: TOP UP, PBB, DRYAD, MOREOVER four among many excellent clues. I too had a brief go at &#039;muffle&#039; (18d). I thought the parenthetical &#039;music&#039; was odd here. &#039;Loud&#039; is commonly used for &#039;f&#039;, but if A wanted to use &#039;music&#039; for the surface, why put it in brackets?

1d: &#039;copybook&#039; is by no stretch of lexical laissez-faire a true Spoonerism, which is no doubt why Araucaria gives us the surface &#039;Perfect example of a Spoonerism....&#039;


Thanks to A, and both for the commentary.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1a : &#8216;come&#8217; might mean something like &#8216;by the time that&#8217;, but can&#8217;t be substituted for it; in the example you give, bridgesong, you would still need the verb: &#8216;by the time that winter comes&#8217;.</p>
<p>14d: I never like regional pronunciation &#8216;homophones&#8217;, and this was no exception &#8211; and if you do rub with sandpaper that makes you a rubber, not the sandpaper.</p>
<p>Otherwise this was most enjoyable: TOP UP, PBB, DRYAD, MOREOVER four among many excellent clues. I too had a brief go at &#8216;muffle&#8217; (18d). I thought the parenthetical &#8216;music&#8217; was odd here. &#8216;Loud&#8217; is commonly used for &#8216;f&#8217;, but if A wanted to use &#8216;music&#8217; for the surface, why put it in brackets?</p>
<p>1d: &#8216;copybook&#8217; is by no stretch of lexical laissez-faire a true Spoonerism, which is no doubt why Araucaria gives us the surface &#8216;Perfect example of a Spoonerism&#8230;.&#8217;</p>
<p>Thanks to A, and both for the commentary.</p>
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		<title>By: stiofain</title>
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		<dc:creator>stiofain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jul 2011 18:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Have to disagree RCW i thought todays Paul was 18ac.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have to disagree RCW i thought todays Paul was 18ac.</p>
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		<title>By: RCWhiting</title>
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		<dc:creator>RCWhiting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jul 2011 15:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks all
A very enjoyable solve, rather superior to today&#039;s example from Paul.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks all<br />
A very enjoyable solve, rather superior to today&#8217;s example from Paul.</p>
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		<title>By: timon</title>
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		<dc:creator>timon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jul 2011 15:17:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pleased, as ever, to help out bridgesong who was under a bit of time pressure this week, hosting wedding and birthday anniversaries.  Only fair to admit that he is often quicker than I at spotting the answer but we complement (and compliment!) each other well at deconstructing the clues.

Bryan@4 makes the obvious connection about my pseudonym, but it is purely an abbreviation, albeit fortuitous.  (But if you ever see a puzzle by &quot;Athenian&quot;...)

Thanks to all for the additional thoughts and insights.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pleased, as ever, to help out bridgesong who was under a bit of time pressure this week, hosting wedding and birthday anniversaries.  Only fair to admit that he is often quicker than I at spotting the answer but we complement (and compliment!) each other well at deconstructing the clues.</p>
<p>Bryan@4 makes the obvious connection about my pseudonym, but it is purely an abbreviation, albeit fortuitous.  (But if you ever see a puzzle by &#8220;Athenian&#8221;&#8230;)</p>
<p>Thanks to all for the additional thoughts and insights.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jul 2011 13:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, bridgesong.

I enjoyed this a lot - and found it much easier than Araucaria&#039;s offering on Thursday.  The clues are (generally) inventive and succinct.  Loroso had GYPSUM in yesterday&#039;s FT crossword, with a much less transparent clue.

My first attempt at 8d was CALLOW, but this was quickly abandoned when I got 4a. 

Good to see a clue for PULITZER PRIZE which doesn&#039;t rely on a homophone!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, bridgesong.</p>
<p>I enjoyed this a lot &#8211; and found it much easier than Araucaria&#8217;s offering on Thursday.  The clues are (generally) inventive and succinct.  Loroso had GYPSUM in yesterday&#8217;s FT crossword, with a much less transparent clue.</p>
<p>My first attempt at 8d was CALLOW, but this was quickly abandoned when I got 4a. </p>
<p>Good to see a clue for PULITZER PRIZE which doesn&#8217;t rely on a homophone!</p>
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		<title>By: Biggles A</title>
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		<dc:creator>Biggles A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jul 2011 11:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The OED defines TEMPT as &#039;to test, put to the test, try&#039;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The OED defines TEMPT as &#8216;to test, put to the test, try&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: chas</title>
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		<dc:creator>chas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jul 2011 11:23:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks to bridgesong for the blog. You explained several answers that I had put in without knowing why.

I messed up properly: I put Overt for 24a and this totally messed up the SE corner for me.

I liked Party Political Broadcast even though I did not work out the parsing at the time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to bridgesong for the blog. You explained several answers that I had put in without knowing why.</p>
<p>I messed up properly: I put Overt for 24a and this totally messed up the SE corner for me.</p>
<p>I liked Party Political Broadcast even though I did not work out the parsing at the time.</p>
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		<title>By: scchua</title>
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		<dc:creator>scchua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jul 2011 10:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks bridgesong, and Araucaria for the challenge.

Not the most difficult Prize puzzle, but it did some time to get into.  I liked 4A EPIPHANY, 16D ADDENDUM and STUDIOUS, among this lot of clever surfaces and definitions.

Re 17A INCORPORATED, I think attachment refers to the fact that &quot;inc.&quot; is placed after the (any such) company&#039;s name, as an attachment, you might say.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks bridgesong, and Araucaria for the challenge.</p>
<p>Not the most difficult Prize puzzle, but it did some time to get into.  I liked 4A EPIPHANY, 16D ADDENDUM and STUDIOUS, among this lot of clever surfaces and definitions.</p>
<p>Re 17A INCORPORATED, I think attachment refers to the fact that &#8220;inc.&#8221; is placed after the (any such) company&#8217;s name, as an attachment, you might say.</p>
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		<title>By: Davy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Davy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jul 2011 10:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Stella,

It&#039;s so obvious once you can see the correct interpretation. I was trying to make a charade of Spirit=DRY and poster=AD whereas it should be Spirit=poster disparaging spirits. How to be baffled by four simple words. Ah well, one lives and learns.....occasionally.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Stella,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s so obvious once you can see the correct interpretation. I was trying to make a charade of Spirit=DRY and poster=AD whereas it should be Spirit=poster disparaging spirits. How to be baffled by four simple words. Ah well, one lives and learns&#8230;..occasionally.</p>
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