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		<title>By: Huw Powell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Huw Powell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2011 01:03:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This was very hard, and not very rewarding to me.  I don&#039;t mind - I even like - when I have resorted to various levels of tools to finish a clue, from reading up on topics to using onelook to find possible words, etc., and when I get the answer I can see how the clue was fair, if subtle or using an unfamiliar trick.  Paul does that to me a lot.  This puzzle didn&#039;t, sadly.

Starting with 1a - I don&#039;t would never think of &quot;sway&quot; when clued by &quot;rule&quot;.  Influence, maybe, or a tricky definition of some of its other meanings.  2a.  &quot;Ramp&quot; would never have occurred to me, although I see it in Chambers online, got the answer via onelook and checked letters.  Had to look up far too many things for various reasons.  Researching the stomachs didn&#039;t even give me the check for the long clue, since there are a few related words.  At least the ink one I was able to deduce from some checks and the wordplay, then found it redirects to invisible ink at wikipedia.  Too many whines to list, really.  If a word is obscure, the wordplay can&#039;t require knowing yet another obscure word (&quot;moly&quot;, to me anyway).

I knew what I was supposed to do to the badger, but not knowing what the &quot;tail&quot; letter (or letters) was that was hacked off just exhausted the brain.

I&#039;m with NeilW, Median, and Sil on this one - if I had printed this out on a Saturday and it took until Wednesday using all tools I can think of, I would think that fair, I expect the prize puzzles to be very taxing.  Odd that I can remember a few of the Reverend&#039;s that weren&#039;t.

Well, that&#039;s me done complaining, thanks for the monumental effort on the blog, Eileen, and Araucaria for the untimely challenge.  Please, next time you put this much effort into a puzzle, whisper to Hugh &quot;psst, this one is very hard, save it for Saturday&quot;.  Cheers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was very hard, and not very rewarding to me.  I don&#8217;t mind &#8211; I even like &#8211; when I have resorted to various levels of tools to finish a clue, from reading up on topics to using onelook to find possible words, etc., and when I get the answer I can see how the clue was fair, if subtle or using an unfamiliar trick.  Paul does that to me a lot.  This puzzle didn&#8217;t, sadly.</p>
<p>Starting with 1a &#8211; I don&#8217;t would never think of &#8220;sway&#8221; when clued by &#8220;rule&#8221;.  Influence, maybe, or a tricky definition of some of its other meanings.  2a.  &#8220;Ramp&#8221; would never have occurred to me, although I see it in Chambers online, got the answer via onelook and checked letters.  Had to look up far too many things for various reasons.  Researching the stomachs didn&#8217;t even give me the check for the long clue, since there are a few related words.  At least the ink one I was able to deduce from some checks and the wordplay, then found it redirects to invisible ink at wikipedia.  Too many whines to list, really.  If a word is obscure, the wordplay can&#8217;t require knowing yet another obscure word (&#8220;moly&#8221;, to me anyway).</p>
<p>I knew what I was supposed to do to the badger, but not knowing what the &#8220;tail&#8221; letter (or letters) was that was hacked off just exhausted the brain.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m with NeilW, Median, and Sil on this one &#8211; if I had printed this out on a Saturday and it took until Wednesday using all tools I can think of, I would think that fair, I expect the prize puzzles to be very taxing.  Odd that I can remember a few of the Reverend&#8217;s that weren&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Well, that&#8217;s me done complaining, thanks for the monumental effort on the blog, Eileen, and Araucaria for the untimely challenge.  Please, next time you put this much effort into a puzzle, whisper to Hugh &#8220;psst, this one is very hard, save it for Saturday&#8221;.  Cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: Sylvia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sylvia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Aug 2011 17:43:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know it&#039;s late, but did no-one else think of coco as being co (company) and co (company)i.e. 2 x co?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know it&#8217;s late, but did no-one else think of coco as being co (company) and co (company)i.e. 2 x co?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul (not Paul)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul (not Paul)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2011 12:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One for the A* students not the class plodders.  Too hard for me to enjoy the few I got.

I put Breathes in for 10 across.  Its an anagram herb and teas and breathing could be described as a process of seperating gases.  I like it more than the real answer actually!  Certainly didn&#039;t help me with the rest of the puzzle.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One for the A* students not the class plodders.  Too hard for me to enjoy the few I got.</p>
<p>I put Breathes in for 10 across.  Its an anagram herb and teas and breathing could be described as a process of seperating gases.  I like it more than the real answer actually!  Certainly didn&#8217;t help me with the rest of the puzzle.</p>
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		<title>By: Eileen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eileen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2011 22:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Median @33

Sorry for the delay - I&#039;ve been out on a lovely evening ramble, followed by an excellent pub meal.

Thank you for sharing that. I&#039;d be interested to know if you receive any response but the relative difficulties of the puzzles is not one of my main causes for concern - one of them being the lack of response to comments!]

Hi Sil

&quot;This was Araucaria on top form&quot;. 

I agree! - and I can say that now, at the end of the day. Having established a reputation as an avid Araucaria enthusiast, I do try, now, early on, to curb my enthusiasm - to the point, last week, I think, of overplaying the part of Devil&#039;s Advocate! I really enjoyed this, despite - and perhaps I don&#039;t really mean that [it&#039;s nice to think he can still pull one over us] - having been foxed by 24ac. 

&quot;You unraveled THE BEST OF BRITISH LUCK! We didn’t, we gave up.&quot;
That&#039;s a luxury afforded to bloggers only &#039;in extremis&#039; [v 24ac] [as you now know!]

20dn was my first entry, too, so, you can imagine, as it was the penultimate clue, I was, as the blogger, fairly desperate by then! [And I&#039;m more used to &#039;Latin&#039; in its &#039;usual&#039; meaning]

Hi mismanager

Back to 24ac

Thanks for the suggestions but I&#039;m now totally convinced! I think I&#039;ve been incredibly dim about this clue today. Even after accepting Gaufrid and Robi&#039;s explanations, I still couldn&#039;t really get my head round it - it seemed the wrong way round, somehow - then RC Whiting came along with his musings / explanation and it all made sense [but then, Proteus-like, still kept escaping me until I really tied it down]. It&#039;s so simple really! :-): the saying is, &#039;Two&#039;s company&#039;, i.e  two = company, so two twos must = CO CO. What on earth took me so long?

Hi Carrots

Your comment arrived while I was typing this. In my post-pub state, I can&#039;t possibly start a whole new discussion now so must just say I&#039;m sorry you didn&#039;t enjoy it - as I said, I did! :-)

Good night all!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Median @33</p>
<p>Sorry for the delay &#8211; I&#8217;ve been out on a lovely evening ramble, followed by an excellent pub meal.</p>
<p>Thank you for sharing that. I&#8217;d be interested to know if you receive any response but the relative difficulties of the puzzles is not one of my main causes for concern &#8211; one of them being the lack of response to comments!]</p>
<p>Hi Sil</p>
<p>&#8220;This was Araucaria on top form&#8221;. </p>
<p>I agree! &#8211; and I can say that now, at the end of the day. Having established a reputation as an avid Araucaria enthusiast, I do try, now, early on, to curb my enthusiasm &#8211; to the point, last week, I think, of overplaying the part of Devil&#8217;s Advocate! I really enjoyed this, despite &#8211; and perhaps I don&#8217;t really mean that [it's nice to think he can still pull one over us] &#8211; having been foxed by 24ac. </p>
<p>&#8220;You unraveled THE BEST OF BRITISH LUCK! We didn’t, we gave up.&#8221;<br />
That&#8217;s a luxury afforded to bloggers only &#8216;in extremis&#8217; [v 24ac] [as you now know!]</p>
<p>20dn was my first entry, too, so, you can imagine, as it was the penultimate clue, I was, as the blogger, fairly desperate by then! [And I'm more used to 'Latin' in its 'usual' meaning]</p>
<p>Hi mismanager</p>
<p>Back to 24ac</p>
<p>Thanks for the suggestions but I&#8217;m now totally convinced! I think I&#8217;ve been incredibly dim about this clue today. Even after accepting Gaufrid and Robi&#8217;s explanations, I still couldn&#8217;t really get my head round it &#8211; it seemed the wrong way round, somehow &#8211; then RC Whiting came along with his musings / explanation and it all made sense [but then, Proteus-like, still kept escaping me until I really tied it down]. It&#8217;s so simple really! <img src='http://www.fifteensquared.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> : the saying is, &#8216;Two&#8217;s company&#8217;, i.e  two = company, so two twos must = CO CO. What on earth took me so long?</p>
<p>Hi Carrots</p>
<p>Your comment arrived while I was typing this. In my post-pub state, I can&#8217;t possibly start a whole new discussion now so must just say I&#8217;m sorry you didn&#8217;t enjoy it &#8211; as I said, I did! <img src='http://www.fifteensquared.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Good night all!</p>
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		<title>By: Carrots</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carrots</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2011 22:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[After yesterday`s drubbing at the hands of RichWA and rfb, I hardly dare put my head above the parapet. Dave Ellison @18 sums it up for me. With FOUR unheard-of words, a couple of inexplicable usages and a smattering of wordy and byzantine clues, I felt I was up against a stacked deck. I was sorely tempted to use my new i-phone, but I resisted until I had access (on the BIG SCREEN!) to Auntie E`s essential blog. WhaddaGal!!

It may be apologia on my part, but I don`t think this was anywhere near Araucaria at his best. There was little wit, ironed surfaces or AHA! moments, all of which are the GOM`s signature.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After yesterday`s drubbing at the hands of RichWA and rfb, I hardly dare put my head above the parapet. Dave Ellison @18 sums it up for me. With FOUR unheard-of words, a couple of inexplicable usages and a smattering of wordy and byzantine clues, I felt I was up against a stacked deck. I was sorely tempted to use my new i-phone, but I resisted until I had access (on the BIG SCREEN!) to Auntie E`s essential blog. WhaddaGal!!</p>
<p>It may be apologia on my part, but I don`t think this was anywhere near Araucaria at his best. There was little wit, ironed surfaces or AHA! moments, all of which are the GOM`s signature.</p>
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		<title>By: mismanager</title>
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		<dc:creator>mismanager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2011 21:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the blog, Eileen.  I remember that Co-Co is a type of railway locomotive with two bogies, often used for freight trains.  There is also a Bo-Bo, more often used for faster passenger trains, and probably many other configurations - not my specialist subject!  I&#039;m not sure if it helps but I&#039;m not too convinced by any other explanation either.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the blog, Eileen.  I remember that Co-Co is a type of railway locomotive with two bogies, often used for freight trains.  There is also a Bo-Bo, more often used for faster passenger trains, and probably many other configurations &#8211; not my specialist subject!  I&#8217;m not sure if it helps but I&#8217;m not too convinced by any other explanation either.</p>
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		<title>By: Sil van den Hoek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sil van den Hoek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2011 20:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This was Araucaria on top form and a lot harder than his recent Saturday offerings. And therefore, Median, I am once again with you [even though, for the two of us, this puzzle was a treat]. Perhaps, Mr Stephenson will come back to it in one of his monthly contributions at the Guardian website. It wouldn&#039;t surprise me.

Bravo Eileen! You unraveled THE BEST OF BRITISH LUCK! We didn&#039;t, we gave up.
Bravo Araucaria! I am not always keen on your liberties, but the one at 1d (SHOT) was outrageous in the positive sense of the word. Because of the cheeky wording. I&#039;d wish my mind would still work like this when I&#039;m 90. :)

Nice to see the use of &#039;Latin&#039; in 20d (our first entry HAD A GO)being different from what it usually is, here meaning &quot;relating to Spanish, Portuguese or Italian people&quot; - spot on.

I think 13d (DEVASTATE) needed a Question Mark.
But the crossword as a whole deserved an Exclamation Mark ! (sic)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was Araucaria on top form and a lot harder than his recent Saturday offerings. And therefore, Median, I am once again with you [even though, for the two of us, this puzzle was a treat]. Perhaps, Mr Stephenson will come back to it in one of his monthly contributions at the Guardian website. It wouldn&#8217;t surprise me.</p>
<p>Bravo Eileen! You unraveled THE BEST OF BRITISH LUCK! We didn&#8217;t, we gave up.<br />
Bravo Araucaria! I am not always keen on your liberties, but the one at 1d (SHOT) was outrageous in the positive sense of the word. Because of the cheeky wording. I&#8217;d wish my mind would still work like this when I&#8217;m 90. <img src='http://www.fifteensquared.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Nice to see the use of &#8216;Latin&#8217; in 20d (our first entry HAD A GO)being different from what it usually is, here meaning &#8220;relating to Spanish, Portuguese or Italian people&#8221; &#8211; spot on.</p>
<p>I think 13d (DEVASTATE) needed a Question Mark.<br />
But the crossword as a whole deserved an Exclamation Mark ! (sic)</p>
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		<title>By: Median</title>
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		<dc:creator>Median</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2011 17:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Neil W @21 and Eileen @23, on 15 July, after a midweek run of - I thought - difficult puzzles, I wrote to Hugh Stevenson, Guardian crossword editor. Here are extracts from my email.&lt;blockquote&gt;I&#039;m an experienced solver, happy to have a go at all Guardian cryptics. I&#039;m usually successful if I persist, especially when I use my copy of TEA software. These days, I think I&#039;m a pretty good judge of the level of difficulty of the puzzles you publish.

...

I support your apparent policy of having cryptics of different levels of difficulty - it widens the appeal and, over time, helps solvers improve their skills. However, I can&#039;t spot any pattern in the degree of toughness, apart from often having relatively easy Rufus puzzles on Mondays (to encourage novices who have spent ages on a puzzle at the weekend, when they have had more time?). It seems fairly random, even with the Saturday prize puzzles which, on occasion, I find easy.

...

If I were in your shoes - editing the puzzles for the Guardian (not a magazine for crossword enthusiasts) - I think I would reserve the most difficult puzzles for Saturday, when solvers have the incentive of a prize and (perhaps) more time. Like you, I&#039;d start most weeks with a relatively easy one and vary the level on Tuesdays to Fridays.

...

Any comments? &lt;/blockquote&gt;No reply so far. I&#039;m not holding my breath. Sigh.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neil W @21 and Eileen @23, on 15 July, after a midweek run of &#8211; I thought &#8211; difficult puzzles, I wrote to Hugh Stevenson, Guardian crossword editor. Here are extracts from my email.<br />
<blockquote>I&#8217;m an experienced solver, happy to have a go at all Guardian cryptics. I&#8217;m usually successful if I persist, especially when I use my copy of TEA software. These days, I think I&#8217;m a pretty good judge of the level of difficulty of the puzzles you publish.</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>I support your apparent policy of having cryptics of different levels of difficulty &#8211; it widens the appeal and, over time, helps solvers improve their skills. However, I can&#8217;t spot any pattern in the degree of toughness, apart from often having relatively easy Rufus puzzles on Mondays (to encourage novices who have spent ages on a puzzle at the weekend, when they have had more time?). It seems fairly random, even with the Saturday prize puzzles which, on occasion, I find easy.</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>If I were in your shoes &#8211; editing the puzzles for the Guardian (not a magazine for crossword enthusiasts) &#8211; I think I would reserve the most difficult puzzles for Saturday, when solvers have the incentive of a prize and (perhaps) more time. Like you, I&#8217;d start most weeks with a relatively easy one and vary the level on Tuesdays to Fridays.</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>Any comments? </p></blockquote>
<p>No reply so far. I&#8217;m not holding my breath. Sigh.</p>
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		<title>By: Eileen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eileen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2011 15:52:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi don

You&#039;re absolutely right, of course. :-(]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi don</p>
<p>You&#8217;re absolutely right, of course. <img src='http://www.fifteensquared.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: tupu</title>
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		<dc:creator>tupu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2011 15:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Eileen and Araucaria
 
I found parts of this very hard. I had to guess and check 10a and 23 (in this case had to search ab+ I&#039;m afraid but was running out of energy and, I&#039;m afraid interest, by then). 

I messed up in the NW. I put in &#039;oracle&#039; for 9a and that sank me with 2 down! I kept thinking it must be one of the ever recurring &#039;bra&#039; words.

I liked several clues inc. 11a, 13a, 18a, and 1d (sorry!).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Eileen and Araucaria</p>
<p>I found parts of this very hard. I had to guess and check 10a and 23 (in this case had to search ab+ I&#8217;m afraid but was running out of energy and, I&#8217;m afraid interest, by then). </p>
<p>I messed up in the NW. I put in &#8216;oracle&#8217; for 9a and that sank me with 2 down! I kept thinking it must be one of the ever recurring &#8216;bra&#8217; words.</p>
<p>I liked several clues inc. 11a, 13a, 18a, and 1d (sorry!).</p>
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