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	<title>Comments on: Guardian Prize Puzzle 25,412 by Araucaria</title>
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		<title>By: Huw Powell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Huw Powell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2011 02:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Whew, this was amazing.  I didn&#039;t really mess with it except to read the instructions (and pencil in LOBE) until 3/9 (since this is our &quot;Bank Holiday&quot; weekend!) and this was one of the most graceful cryptic experiences I have ever wrestled with.  

Slow going at first, trying to solve unthemed clues to get enough checks to start to try to work the theme.  I found my way in in an  odd way as did another - STEPHEN was my first one, from checks and the typical lovely Rev. A. &quot;aha&quot;.  But what, then, was the theme?  Luckily now that Wikipedia&#039;s search box autofills a dozen possibilities, there was an interesting looking &quot;Stephen&quot; - one Mr. Potter.  Who turned out to be a British writer, so I thought I was on the right track.  My first thoughts went to dear Beatrix, and I managed to beat down a few of her themed clues, when the light bulb went off.  Pure genius, a theme mixing up two of the most successful childrens&#039; book writers, with the added caveat that the * might just be a last name, or a profession.  I was only sad, in the end, that the use of * as a synonym to &quot;putter (around)&quot; was not used somewhere.

This took me hours and hours, but every five to fifteen minutes or so another penny would drop (I think my gas meter is full now!) and never once did I feel cheated by the Reverend&#039;s cluing.

I got lucky on the 18s in that I have slowly developed a magic anagram generator in my brain, and had just enough awareness of Rowling&#039;s work that DH popped into my mind.  Had to double check, but it was right.  Which leads me to what I did not get done - the 24s (and a parsing for the other interlocked clue pair).  What could one expect from the libertarian master but a slight &quot;cheat&quot; on the rules?  And done sublimely, indeed.  The punctuation in 24 was perfect, once I saw how to solve them here.

I really enjoyed how the two grids do interact, in the sense that a properly parsed answer in one yields the exact remains to be used for the other.  Well, except for those two or three &quot;special&quot; clues.

Of course, I had to do huge amounts of research while solving, but I think that&#039;s part of the fun nowadays (using WP and google etc. as well as an atlas, dictionary, Bible, etc.)  There were very few clues that I had to resort to brute force to solve - like 22B, where at least I picked the right option first out of the short list onelook gave me.  At one point I think I had a dozen tabs open with various WP lists and articles to help with the two main theme subjects (not knowing HP very well and having forgotten everything I knew about BP&#039;s works.

PeeDee, thanks for the parsing of the dozen or so answers I was vague to clueless on yet still got, and the lovely pair that never yielded.

Araucaria, I bow down to you.  Not one clue left me feeling anything but pure joy as I solved them.  I think you used every trick in the book, and about six new ones, on this true beauty of a puzzle.  Thanks seem so black and white in contrast with the vividly colored universe that was this offering.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whew, this was amazing.  I didn&#8217;t really mess with it except to read the instructions (and pencil in LOBE) until 3/9 (since this is our &#8220;Bank Holiday&#8221; weekend!) and this was one of the most graceful cryptic experiences I have ever wrestled with.  </p>
<p>Slow going at first, trying to solve unthemed clues to get enough checks to start to try to work the theme.  I found my way in in an  odd way as did another &#8211; STEPHEN was my first one, from checks and the typical lovely Rev. A. &#8220;aha&#8221;.  But what, then, was the theme?  Luckily now that Wikipedia&#8217;s search box autofills a dozen possibilities, there was an interesting looking &#8220;Stephen&#8221; &#8211; one Mr. Potter.  Who turned out to be a British writer, so I thought I was on the right track.  My first thoughts went to dear Beatrix, and I managed to beat down a few of her themed clues, when the light bulb went off.  Pure genius, a theme mixing up two of the most successful childrens&#8217; book writers, with the added caveat that the * might just be a last name, or a profession.  I was only sad, in the end, that the use of * as a synonym to &#8220;putter (around)&#8221; was not used somewhere.</p>
<p>This took me hours and hours, but every five to fifteen minutes or so another penny would drop (I think my gas meter is full now!) and never once did I feel cheated by the Reverend&#8217;s cluing.</p>
<p>I got lucky on the 18s in that I have slowly developed a magic anagram generator in my brain, and had just enough awareness of Rowling&#8217;s work that DH popped into my mind.  Had to double check, but it was right.  Which leads me to what I did not get done &#8211; the 24s (and a parsing for the other interlocked clue pair).  What could one expect from the libertarian master but a slight &#8220;cheat&#8221; on the rules?  And done sublimely, indeed.  The punctuation in 24 was perfect, once I saw how to solve them here.</p>
<p>I really enjoyed how the two grids do interact, in the sense that a properly parsed answer in one yields the exact remains to be used for the other.  Well, except for those two or three &#8220;special&#8221; clues.</p>
<p>Of course, I had to do huge amounts of research while solving, but I think that&#8217;s part of the fun nowadays (using WP and google etc. as well as an atlas, dictionary, Bible, etc.)  There were very few clues that I had to resort to brute force to solve &#8211; like 22B, where at least I picked the right option first out of the short list onelook gave me.  At one point I think I had a dozen tabs open with various WP lists and articles to help with the two main theme subjects (not knowing HP very well and having forgotten everything I knew about BP&#8217;s works.</p>
<p>PeeDee, thanks for the parsing of the dozen or so answers I was vague to clueless on yet still got, and the lovely pair that never yielded.</p>
<p>Araucaria, I bow down to you.  Not one clue left me feeling anything but pure joy as I solved them.  I think you used every trick in the book, and about six new ones, on this true beauty of a puzzle.  Thanks seem so black and white in contrast with the vividly colored universe that was this offering.</p>
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		<title>By: RCWhiting</title>
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		<dc:creator>RCWhiting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 17:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks T Colin @31. I just cannot do non-print crosswords - just my foible I guess. I also cannot do crosswords in books! It has to be that wonderful, precisely timed, challenge between me and the setter.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks T Colin @31. I just cannot do non-print crosswords &#8211; just my foible I guess. I also cannot do crosswords in books! It has to be that wonderful, precisely timed, challenge between me and the setter.</p>
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		<title>By: PeeDee</title>
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		<dc:creator>PeeDee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Sep 2011 21:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks to all for the corrections and suggestions, the blog has been updated.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to all for the corrections and suggestions, the blog has been updated.</p>
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		<title>By: blaise</title>
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		<dc:creator>blaise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Sep 2011 18:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For 5(A), I assumed the Potter reference was to Timothy W Potter, an archaeologist heavily involved in excavations in Etruria, who published two books on the subject. Fascinating that the Wedgewoods should have chosen the same name, for their residence &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; their factory.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For 5(A), I assumed the Potter reference was to Timothy W Potter, an archaeologist heavily involved in excavations in Etruria, who published two books on the subject. Fascinating that the Wedgewoods should have chosen the same name, for their residence <i>and</i> their factory.</p>
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		<title>By: matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Sep 2011 16:14:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Decent puzzle, but I was really quite surprised when the &#039;potter&#039; theme came up: it had been used so recently in a Crucible prize puzzle last year, and (to my mind) to better, more varied effect. 

http://fifteensquared.net/2010/05/08/guardian-24999-sat-1-maycrucible-potty/

I always enjoy the double grids though. Thanks Araucaria, and to PeeDee for the blog.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Decent puzzle, but I was really quite surprised when the &#8216;potter&#8217; theme came up: it had been used so recently in a Crucible prize puzzle last year, and (to my mind) to better, more varied effect. </p>
<p><a href="http://fifteensquared.net/2010/05/08/guardian-24999-sat-1-maycrucible-potty/" rel="nofollow">http://fifteensquared.net/2010/05/08/guardian-24999-sat-1-maycrucible-potty/</a></p>
<p>I always enjoy the double grids though. Thanks Araucaria, and to PeeDee for the blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Tokyo Colin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tokyo Colin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Sep 2011 05:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[RCWhiting @14.  If you are still checking here, I agree that yesterday&#039;s Prize puzzle isn&#039;t up to scratch, but there is a much better Prize puzzle (albeit not &quot;Prize&quot; difficulty) by the same setter on the FT site, and also available for download at no cost.  Which is good for me as English newspapers are hard to come by here at any price.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RCWhiting @14.  If you are still checking here, I agree that yesterday&#8217;s Prize puzzle isn&#8217;t up to scratch, but there is a much better Prize puzzle (albeit not &#8220;Prize&#8221; difficulty) by the same setter on the FT site, and also available for download at no cost.  Which is good for me as English newspapers are hard to come by here at any price.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Murray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Sep 2011 20:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Phew, got all but 24A. Spent several days pondering the whole thing, nearly gave up on the first day when I just could not get any! As usual putting the thing away and doing something else seems to unlock the brain. Great Fun.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phew, got all but 24A. Spent several days pondering the whole thing, nearly gave up on the first day when I just could not get any! As usual putting the thing away and doing something else seems to unlock the brain. Great Fun.</p>
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		<title>By: RCWhiting</title>
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		<dc:creator>RCWhiting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Sep 2011 19:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, sidey. As I pointed out recently, when there were complaints about slightly inexact definitions. If the definitions are tooblatant then all the clever cryptics are wasted.
To me a good cryptic is all allusion (definition) and illusion (cryptic).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, sidey. As I pointed out recently, when there were complaints about slightly inexact definitions. If the definitions are tooblatant then all the clever cryptics are wasted.<br />
To me a good cryptic is all allusion (definition) and illusion (cryptic).</p>
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		<title>By: sidey</title>
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		<dc:creator>sidey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Sep 2011 17:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[FlutterBy said &lt;i&gt;Many of the solutions came from what I call “construction work”… diligently sticking possible components together then trying to work out if what you’ve made is the right answer.&lt;/i&gt;. I always thought that was rather the point rather than spotting the definition and then trying to parse the rest which has become a bit usual with recent puzzles from Araucaria in my experience. This was much like his old (younger?) form. 

It made it much more enjoyable for me at least.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FlutterBy said <i>Many of the solutions came from what I call “construction work”… diligently sticking possible components together then trying to work out if what you’ve made is the right answer.</i>. I always thought that was rather the point rather than spotting the definition and then trying to parse the rest which has become a bit usual with recent puzzles from Araucaria in my experience. This was much like his old (younger?) form. </p>
<p>It made it much more enjoyable for me at least.</p>
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		<title>By: chas</title>
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		<dc:creator>chas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Sep 2011 16:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I disagree with a couple of the views shown here.

This was a tough puzzle - which is OK as it was for a Bank Holiday weekend. I would expect it to be harder than, say, the usual Saturday prize puzzle. In fact I was not able to finish it.

I still rate Araucaria as the best compiler and will cheerfully tackle his next one. I am also looking forward, with some misgivings, to what he will produce at Christmas!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree with a couple of the views shown here.</p>
<p>This was a tough puzzle &#8211; which is OK as it was for a Bank Holiday weekend. I would expect it to be harder than, say, the usual Saturday prize puzzle. In fact I was not able to finish it.</p>
<p>I still rate Araucaria as the best compiler and will cheerfully tackle his next one. I am also looking forward, with some misgivings, to what he will produce at Christmas!</p>
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