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		<title>By: RCWhiting</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2011/09/12/guardian-25425-rufus/#comment-169547</link>
		<dc:creator>RCWhiting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2011 15:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s a bit more rational,Matt.
I have to say that since finding this MB I have been very surprised at the reaction which some of my posts have produced.
First,I do not criticise people (posters or setters) but only the product of a journalist which I am confronted by each morning when I open my G. (yes, sil, it is my favourite paper and I shall at this late stage of my life, never change).
Secondly I do not use abusive language unless a crossword puzzle has suddenly become an animate object which might be offended when called too easy.
Thirdly, as sil says, the compilers and editors are surely not bothered by what I think. Why should they be treated any differently to (say) Polly Toynbee or George Monbiot who are regularly criticised for their work by readers. They are all journalists who put their work on public display and accept the responses.
Stella,you want constructive criticism. Mine is. It is almost always that clues are too obvious, clearly I would suggest making them more difficult.I have even narrowed my criticism mainly to definitions which are too precise where, with the enumeration, it is a write-in and ceases to be cryptic.
I could understand if a negative criticism of mine resulted in someone else disagreeing with it, what I totally fail to understand is the suggestions from some posters that I should not be allowed to post negative comments at all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a bit more rational,Matt.<br />
I have to say that since finding this MB I have been very surprised at the reaction which some of my posts have produced.<br />
First,I do not criticise people (posters or setters) but only the product of a journalist which I am confronted by each morning when I open my G. (yes, sil, it is my favourite paper and I shall at this late stage of my life, never change).<br />
Secondly I do not use abusive language unless a crossword puzzle has suddenly become an animate object which might be offended when called too easy.<br />
Thirdly, as sil says, the compilers and editors are surely not bothered by what I think. Why should they be treated any differently to (say) Polly Toynbee or George Monbiot who are regularly criticised for their work by readers. They are all journalists who put their work on public display and accept the responses.<br />
Stella,you want constructive criticism. Mine is. It is almost always that clues are too obvious, clearly I would suggest making them more difficult.I have even narrowed my criticism mainly to definitions which are too precise where, with the enumeration, it is a write-in and ceases to be cryptic.<br />
I could understand if a negative criticism of mine resulted in someone else disagreeing with it, what I totally fail to understand is the suggestions from some posters that I should not be allowed to post negative comments at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2011 12:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I may not agree with RWC (in fact I usually don&#039;t) but I&#039;m glad he comes along to throw a few fireworks now and then. 
It&#039;s not necessary to start sniping at each other, but I think a bit of irascible displeasure, strongly expressed, is fine. I&#039;m sure the setters have got skins thick enough to take it, and occasionally they even dish it out (I remember Paul coming along to blow off some steam about some puzzle or other a while back), so I don&#039;t think we need to be too sensitive on their behalf. 

To add to the debate, I think it&#039;s worth noting that for every puzzle tricky enough to satisfy a seasoned solver (your average Enigmatist, say), there are many others who might complain about the excessive difficulty, but who are reluctant to appear ignorant.

Long may we debate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I may not agree with RWC (in fact I usually don&#8217;t) but I&#8217;m glad he comes along to throw a few fireworks now and then.<br />
It&#8217;s not necessary to start sniping at each other, but I think a bit of irascible displeasure, strongly expressed, is fine. I&#8217;m sure the setters have got skins thick enough to take it, and occasionally they even dish it out (I remember Paul coming along to blow off some steam about some puzzle or other a while back), so I don&#8217;t think we need to be too sensitive on their behalf. </p>
<p>To add to the debate, I think it&#8217;s worth noting that for every puzzle tricky enough to satisfy a seasoned solver (your average Enigmatist, say), there are many others who might complain about the excessive difficulty, but who are reluctant to appear ignorant.</p>
<p>Long may we debate.</p>
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		<title>By: PeeDee</title>
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		<dc:creator>PeeDee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2011 09:32:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Can&#039;t we just comment on the puzzles, not on the other posters?  None of this stuff is enhancing fifteen squared&#039;s reputation at all.

Many thanks to Rufus for the puzzle, and thanks to manehi for the blog.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t we just comment on the puzzles, not on the other posters?  None of this stuff is enhancing fifteen squared&#8217;s reputation at all.</p>
<p>Many thanks to Rufus for the puzzle, and thanks to manehi for the blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Stella Heath</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stella Heath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2011 22:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks manehi and Rufus. I&#039;m coming to the discussion late in the day, having spent most of it driving after finishing the puzzle without too much difficulty.

And thanks to Sil for your excellent analysis of the situation. To Mr. Whiting, I appreciated your comment the other day praising a puzzle - at this time of night I can&#039;t be bothered to  look up which -, but in my opinion, criticism is only useful if it&#039;s constructive.

Nothing to add to the comments on the puzzle itself, except that at 9d I confidently entered &quot;violin strings&quot; :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks manehi and Rufus. I&#8217;m coming to the discussion late in the day, having spent most of it driving after finishing the puzzle without too much difficulty.</p>
<p>And thanks to Sil for your excellent analysis of the situation. To Mr. Whiting, I appreciated your comment the other day praising a puzzle &#8211; at this time of night I can&#8217;t be bothered to  look up which -, but in my opinion, criticism is only useful if it&#8217;s constructive.</p>
<p>Nothing to add to the comments on the puzzle itself, except that at 9d I confidently entered &#8220;violin strings&#8221; <img src='http://www.fifteensquared.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Sil van den Hoek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sil van den Hoek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2011 21:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[After the long discussion following Paul&#039;s recent Prize Puzzle, I didn&#039;t expect RCW to turn up here with the Same Old Story.

RCW himself and Eileen made it clear last Saturday:
&quot;If a solver finds a puzzle too difficult sh/e has two options: go and find an easier one, there are plenty; or persist until you succeed&quot; (RCW).
&quot;If a solver finds a puzzle too easy – and s/he knows that Rufus Monday ones, by definition, will be – why not give them a miss?&quot; (Eileen).

In both situations one should be tolerant and not dismiss the puzzle as &#039;crap&#039;. Although I see where RCW comes from (which I really do understand), I do not see why he keeps on showing his disdain for solvers who are looking for something else. 
I didn&#039;t find this crossword one of Rufus&#039;s best, but even in a situation worse than that I would never have posted a comment like the one @7. &quot;No comment&quot;?

Dear RCW, I am beginning to think that your main problem is that The Guardian is your favourite newspaper [it is mine too, btw] while at the same the crosswords have gone in a downward spiral (that is, in your opinion).
I think, the good thing about Guardian crosswords is the variety in difficulty. Setters have a pseudonym, and once you &quot;know&quot; them you know what to expect. Well, more or less.
Unfortunately, this means that you cannot have your daily challenge six days a week.
I fear, if you really want something that is more appealing, you will have to turn to the more consistent Indy offerings. But that is not your newspaper - see, that&#039;s your problem.

Please stop burning down crosswords that are not up your street.
And surely, Rufus doesn&#039;t deserve this.
[He is probably laughing at all this right now with a glass of delicious wine in his hand]

Rufus. Rufus? Who?
As I said, not one of his best - but alas.
I am pretty sure that I saw a similar clue for ADVENT (22d) only recently, but I am too lazy to figure out where.
Although I am not a fan of double definitions, I must say that 18d (BOOKING) reads very smoothly.
And in 3d I took &quot;I go round&quot; as &quot;I am in a turn&quot;, therefore &quot;I in TURN&quot;. Knowing that Rufus did things like this before, it could be it. But manehi (thx!), your more simple explanation is just as good. Or better? I don&#039;t know.
Oh, and the surface of EGGNOG (12ac) is quite good, isn&#039;t it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After the long discussion following Paul&#8217;s recent Prize Puzzle, I didn&#8217;t expect RCW to turn up here with the Same Old Story.</p>
<p>RCW himself and Eileen made it clear last Saturday:<br />
&#8220;If a solver finds a puzzle too difficult sh/e has two options: go and find an easier one, there are plenty; or persist until you succeed&#8221; (RCW).<br />
&#8220;If a solver finds a puzzle too easy – and s/he knows that Rufus Monday ones, by definition, will be – why not give them a miss?&#8221; (Eileen).</p>
<p>In both situations one should be tolerant and not dismiss the puzzle as &#8216;crap&#8217;. Although I see where RCW comes from (which I really do understand), I do not see why he keeps on showing his disdain for solvers who are looking for something else.<br />
I didn&#8217;t find this crossword one of Rufus&#8217;s best, but even in a situation worse than that I would never have posted a comment like the one @7. &#8220;No comment&#8221;?</p>
<p>Dear RCW, I am beginning to think that your main problem is that The Guardian is your favourite newspaper [it is mine too, btw] while at the same the crosswords have gone in a downward spiral (that is, in your opinion).<br />
I think, the good thing about Guardian crosswords is the variety in difficulty. Setters have a pseudonym, and once you &#8220;know&#8221; them you know what to expect. Well, more or less.<br />
Unfortunately, this means that you cannot have your daily challenge six days a week.<br />
I fear, if you really want something that is more appealing, you will have to turn to the more consistent Indy offerings. But that is not your newspaper &#8211; see, that&#8217;s your problem.</p>
<p>Please stop burning down crosswords that are not up your street.<br />
And surely, Rufus doesn&#8217;t deserve this.<br />
[He is probably laughing at all this right now with a glass of delicious wine in his hand]</p>
<p>Rufus. Rufus? Who?<br />
As I said, not one of his best &#8211; but alas.<br />
I am pretty sure that I saw a similar clue for ADVENT (22d) only recently, but I am too lazy to figure out where.<br />
Although I am not a fan of double definitions, I must say that 18d (BOOKING) reads very smoothly.<br />
And in 3d I took &#8220;I go round&#8221; as &#8220;I am in a turn&#8221;, therefore &#8220;I in TURN&#8221;. Knowing that Rufus did things like this before, it could be it. But manehi (thx!), your more simple explanation is just as good. Or better? I don&#8217;t know.<br />
Oh, and the surface of EGGNOG (12ac) is quite good, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: Davy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Davy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2011 20:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks manehi,

A puzzle from Rufus that I actually sailed through which is unusual, as I usually fail on two or three. Having a poor memory, I usually struggle on the DDs or CDs but not today. My favourite clue was STRING QUARTET which I thought was reasonably obvious but also amusing. Other clues I liked were QUALIFIER, PHRASE, LASSIES and DRESS SUIT.

Thanks Rufus. I appreciate that your brief is to produce an easyish crossword on a Monday but some people do not seem to understand that no matter how many times it is reiterated !.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks manehi,</p>
<p>A puzzle from Rufus that I actually sailed through which is unusual, as I usually fail on two or three. Having a poor memory, I usually struggle on the DDs or CDs but not today. My favourite clue was STRING QUARTET which I thought was reasonably obvious but also amusing. Other clues I liked were QUALIFIER, PHRASE, LASSIES and DRESS SUIT.</p>
<p>Thanks Rufus. I appreciate that your brief is to produce an easyish crossword on a Monday but some people do not seem to understand that no matter how many times it is reiterated !.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian F</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2011 20:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[RCW - If you don&#039;t like Rufus crosswords why don&#039;t you simply look elsewhere on a Monday? Many of us appreciate and enjoy his puzzles and I for one could do without your sour and tedious contributions! Many thanks Rufus and keep up the good work.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RCW &#8211; If you don&#8217;t like Rufus crosswords why don&#8217;t you simply look elsewhere on a Monday? Many of us appreciate and enjoy his puzzles and I for one could do without your sour and tedious contributions! Many thanks Rufus and keep up the good work.</p>
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		<title>By: otter</title>
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		<dc:creator>otter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2011 17:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yup - what smutchin says - degree is a general term for an increment on a scale. Nothing &#039;wrong&#039; with the clue as such, it just seemed a bit sloppy to me. Perhaps a &#039;perhaps&#039; or &#039;for example&#039; after it would have made it better - or just dropping &#039;of temperature&#039;.

Anyway, I see I&#039;m being accused of debating the number of angels on a pinhead, so I&#039;ll stop there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup &#8211; what smutchin says &#8211; degree is a general term for an increment on a scale. Nothing &#8216;wrong&#8217; with the clue as such, it just seemed a bit sloppy to me. Perhaps a &#8216;perhaps&#8217; or &#8216;for example&#8217; after it would have made it better &#8211; or just dropping &#8216;of temperature&#8217;.</p>
<p>Anyway, I see I&#8217;m being accused of debating the number of angels on a pinhead, so I&#8217;ll stop there.</p>
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		<title>By: Wolfie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wolfie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2011 16:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[RCW

Yawn.......]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RCW</p>
<p>Yawn&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: RCWhiting</title>
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		<dc:creator>RCWhiting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2011 16:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Matt
Crypticity is banned on Mondays.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt<br />
Crypticity is banned on Mondays.</p>
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