Guardian 25,437 / Rufus
Posted by Eileen on September 26th, 2011
It’s Monday, it’s Rufus and I’m saying no more today, except,’Thank you, Rufus’!
Across
7 SOFT PEDAL: cryptic definition Edit: I completely missed the anagram ['regulating'] of ADOPT SELF [thanks, Neil and Geoff] – and I had almost commented that there weren’t so many as usual!
8 MADAM: MA DAM: as MADAM is a palindrome [thanks, jvh] it’s a mother twice ‘over’ – lovely clue!
9 INSOLENCE: anagram [reform] of SILENCE ON
10 PLATE: P [quietly] LATE [departed]
12 HEROIN: HEROIN[e]
13 SYMMETRY: cryptic definition
14 SCUTTLE: double definition, as a noun [container for coal] and a verb [to {cause to} sink]
17 BRISTLE: double / cryptic definition
20 PRESERVE: P[enny - small cash] RESERVE [book]
22 HAVANA: double definition: I knew London was nicknamed the Big Smoke but Wikipedia tells me that the term is applied to various other cities around the world
24 SWEDE: double definition
25 FIRM OFFER: double / cryptic definition
26 DROLL: reversal of LORD [nobleman] + L [fifty: a gem of a clue, I thought
27 MINUSCULE: MINUS [lacking] + anagram [cryptic] of CLUE
Down
1 POUNCE: anagram [Reformed] of UPON + CE [church]
2 STOOD OUT: double definition – but ‘among those who’ is no part of the wordplay
3 DEMEAN: DEAN [cleric] around ME
4 CARCASE: CAR CASE [motorist's boot!]
5 BAILIE: anagram [false] of ALIBI + E first letter [initially] of ‘excluded’] – great surface
6 PASTORAL: PAST [completed] ORAL [not written down]
11 EMIR: reversal [upset] of RIME: reference to Coleridge’s poem, ‘The Rime of the Ancient Mariner’
15 CAREWORN: reversal [capsized] of ROWER [oarsman] in CAN [vessel]: another fine surface and the second customary nautical reference
16 LURE: anagram [mis] of RULE
18 SAVE FACE: double definition
19 SEDILIA: anagram [doctor] of LIAISED: the seats for officiating clergy on the south side of the chancel: it’s a Latin word, meaning seats or beches, such as the seats in the theatre.
21 SADDLE: a slightly misleading double definition: you might expect ‘cut’ to be the verb and ‘lumber’ the noun but it’s the other way round, a saddle being a cut of meat.
22 HUMBUG: U [fashionable?] MB [doctor] in HUG [embrace]: since when has U been ‘fashionable’?
23 NEEDLE: cryptic definition
September 26th, 2011 at 9:03 am
re 22ac – havava in reference to cigars perhaps?
September 26th, 2011 at 9:07 am
Hi andy
Yes, indeed – my apologies for not spelling it out.
September 26th, 2011 at 9:15 am
25a could equally well have a solution ‘firm order’ ? which threw me off for a bit. If you knew that droll also had a meaning of odd, you have a better vocab than me for sure.
September 26th, 2011 at 9:19 am
Thanks, Eileen.
I think Rufus has caught you out on 7!
September 26th, 2011 at 9:26 am
Yeah, 7 is an anagram of ‘adopt self’
September 26th, 2011 at 9:35 am
Thanks Neil and Geoff – oops, egg all over my face. Well done, Rufus.
andy smith, re droll: Chambers: ‘odd, amusing, laughable; Collins; amusing in a quaint or odd manner’.
September 26th, 2011 at 9:43 am
Thanks Eileen – re droll – yes, I checked Chambers, no complaint with Rufus, just unfamiliar to me – used to usage in a context of drily witty.
September 26th, 2011 at 10:04 am
Thanks, Eileen
Was I alone in finding this one of Rufus’s more difficult puzzles? It took me twice as long as Saturday’s prize crossword, not helped by my putting MAMMA in as 8a at first.
Splendid clueing, as ever; I found it particularly tricky in this one to determine what types of clue were being presented (cd, dd or some other variety).
September 26th, 2011 at 10:10 am
Thanks Eileen and Rufus
R is his inimitable self. Some clever and amusing clues – e.g. 7a, 14a, 20a, 26a, 1d, 4d, 15d, 21d, 22d. Good surfaces, interesting anagrams, and cunning dds.
A small slip – the answer to 11d is EMIR as I’m sure you meant.
September 26th, 2011 at 10:28 am
Thanks, tupu – corrected now. [I'm not having a very good day!
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September 26th, 2011 at 10:52 am
No, Gervase @6, you were not alone. I also had MAMMA at 8 for a while. At 24, SWEDE was an obvious possibility but I held off putting it in because I didn’t think ‘cultivated’ was a good enough definition. SEDILIA was a new one on me.
September 26th, 2011 at 10:53 am
That should be Gervase @8, sorry.
September 26th, 2011 at 11:07 am
Thanks for the blog, Eileen. I very nearly missed the anagram at 7ac — it was among the last I solved. I also nearly went down the MAMMA route at 8ac.
Like Gervase @8 and Median @ 11 I found this quite tough for Rufus — or perhaps I’m not firing on all cylinders today
I had to cheat to resolve the anagram at 19dn — new word for me.
No complaints about the lovely surfaces, though. 5dn was probably my favourite, but 26ac was also very neat. Like you, I would also query U as fashionable.
September 26th, 2011 at 11:59 am
Thanks, Eileen.
For 8, “Madam” is a palindrome, so both a mother twice, and also a mother twice over.
September 26th, 2011 at 12:05 pm
Thanks, jvh: this puzzle gets better all the time! [I must still be half-asleep - I was actually saying, 'Madam, I'm Adam' to myself as I wrote the blog.]
September 26th, 2011 at 12:48 pm
Hi Eileen and Liz
I agree re U. Ross’s original (as in the Mitford book) clearly meant ‘upper class’. The meaning does tend toward ‘fashionable’ in as much as he describes how upper class custom is always changing so that others have to keep playing ‘catch-up’. However, this does not seem quite sufficient for ‘fashionable’ as a definition of ‘u’.
Liz – too had to guess and check ‘sedilia’.
September 26th, 2011 at 12:54 pm
Good puzzle, tricky in parts.
Thanks, Eileen for a good blog. I didn’t see the SOFT PEDAL anagram either, until after I had put it in. I didn’t know SEDILIA and my spellings do not necessarily accord with Rufus. I always use ‘carcass’ rather than ‘carcase.’ I see Collins and ODE put the former first, although Chambers has them reversed. I would usually put miniscule, rather than MINUSCULE, but perhaps I am too influenced by miniskirts (even at my age!) I did like that clue and the one for HEROIN. In PRESERVE, I thought the small cash was ‘reserve,’ leaving me with P=book (thought this might be P=parking=book? – doh!)
September 26th, 2011 at 3:18 pm
Thanks Eileen for the blog. You explained why I had the right answer with HEROIN.
I also was astounded to see U meaning fashionable.
In 20a I was determined to use ‘small’ as giving me the letter ‘s’, which is so often the case in crosswordland. Eventually I had enough crossing letters to force me to see PRESERVE. At that point I relised that ‘small cash’ is penny!
I was totally fooled by 21d – thinking only of a verb meaning for cut
September 26th, 2011 at 3:40 pm
Thanks all
The last time I wrote ‘no comment’ I was reprimanded for insubordination.
But now Eileen has commented along similar lines I feel free to reiterate ‘no comment’.
I see the price has gone up 20%.
September 26th, 2011 at 3:44 pm
BTW 21d I’m sure Eileen is correct but no meat passed my mind, I solved it by assuming the ‘cut’ was a geographical term like col,pass and hence saddle.
September 26th, 2011 at 3:54 pm
Thanks for the blog Eileen. Thanks also to Rufus for an entertaining puzzle. Some may disagree, but I think this is a fine example of a cryptic crossword that pleases with its subtle clueing and smooth surfaces without being inordinately difficult (though I too found it more challenging than usual for a Monday).
RCWhiting @19: Even at £1.20 a day the Guardian is still excellent value for money!
September 26th, 2011 at 3:54 pm
Thanks Rufus and Eileen. Took a long time on this one. Tried MOMMA at 8ac for a while. Tried to fit IN (fashionable) at 22d to no avail. Wasn’t aware that HUMBUG was a piece of toffee. Didn’t know the word SEDILIA. Which brings me to my Swedish heritage. Is the cultivated reference in 24ac related to a Swedish turnip which I did find in Chambers or does it mean that I am refined? My late father would get quite a chuckle out of that image.
Cheers…
September 26th, 2011 at 4:13 pm
Well, I only meant that you could take the ‘wit, elegance, smooth surfaces, etc’, that I usually refer to in a Rufus blog, as read, for once. I’ve blogged so many of his puzzles that it’s hard to come up with something new but I’m glad that most people found it a pleasant solve. Wolfie puts it very well, I think.
A col is certainly the same as a saddle but a cut surely has to be man-made [excavated]? The only ‘geographical’ application I know is cut = canal.
[Thanks for the smile, grandpuzzler: I did say it was a double definition.
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September 26th, 2011 at 6:04 pm
Eileen
The meat has it everytime.
Wolfie
It is excellent value especially when it contains a satisfactory cryptic crossword.
It’s even better value on a subscription.
September 26th, 2011 at 6:38 pm
Nice gentle solve – though it did help doing it online to be able to check 8a.
14a put me in mind of the old chestnut from primary school days: Why did the coal scuttle? – Because it saw the kitchen sink! But I suspect not many of today’s primary school children would know what a coal scuttle is.
September 26th, 2011 at 9:01 pm
Eileen and tupu@16,
I feel I should come to the defence of Rufus’s use of ‘fashionable’ for ‘U’. Chambers gives as one definition of ‘fashionable’: “Moving in high society”.
In days of yore, ‘fashionable society’ referred to the toffs, as opposed to us plebs.
I believe Rufus was simply teasingly misleading us by using an archaic definition.
September 26th, 2011 at 9:44 pm
Madam is surely two mothers because ma is a mother and so is dam?
September 26th, 2011 at 10:08 pm
Thank you, Orlando, for dropping in and putting us right.
Shame on me, I didn’t think to look up ‘fashionable’: we’re so used to it being used to clue ‘IN’ and U being clued by ‘posh’.
Frank jones: that’s what I indicated in the blog, by splitting the two words. Perhaps that was slightly obscured by my later addition regarding the palindrome, following jvh’s comment.
September 26th, 2011 at 10:11 pm
Sorry, I meant ‘splitting the word into two’.
September 26th, 2011 at 10:16 pm
Eileen
I think your explanation of ‘madam’ was perfectly clear and jvh’s addition turned a good clue into a clever one except for one thing: it was a write-in.
September 26th, 2011 at 11:07 pm
Thanks Orlando for your helpful comment.
September 27th, 2011 at 9:42 am
Thank you, Eileen, for your explanations. I mistook the p
September 27th, 2011 at 9:46 am
Sorry, my post flew out of control.
Thank you, Eileen, for your explanations. I mistook the parts of speech in 21d and was stuck. More lateral thinking needed!
RCWhiting @30 – what is a write-in?
September 27th, 2011 at 10:01 am
Thanks Eileen and Rufus. I thought this was slightly trickier than most Monday Rufuses.
Isn’t there a hint of a third definition in 17? I got to the solution via ‘Bristol fashion’.
September 27th, 2011 at 10:45 am
Hi crosser
I’m glad you asked that!
I’m sorry, g larsen, I’m not quite with you. I can’t see the connection.
September 27th, 2011 at 11:26 am
As a boy I had seen a paperback titled ‘Droll stories’ in my father’s library.
September 27th, 2011 at 11:30 am
Eileen
OK, perhaps not a definition, and my confidence that there is anything there is weakened on discovering, to my surprise, that the well-known phrase ‘Bristol fashion’ doesn’t make it into Chambers.
But I guess that it was in Rufus’ mind when choosing to use the word ‘fashion’.
September 27th, 2011 at 11:36 am
RCW
I too am lost. Could you please say what you mean by “it was a write-in”.
Rishi
in Madras that is Chennai, India
September 27th, 2011 at 11:38 am
g larsen
“Bristol fashion” is in Chambers on my machine. But it is not in the 1998 print edition!
September 27th, 2011 at 12:18 pm
Getting inside RCW’s head (get me out of here), I think by write-in, he meant an answer he could write in without even thinking about the clue. Phew, I’m out of his head now and the sun is shining.
September 27th, 2011 at 2:12 pm
Sorry if it’s a stupid question, but why is CAR CASE [motorist's boot!]?
September 27th, 2011 at 2:31 pm
Am I right in guessing you’re not British, MEB?
The boot of a car is the British term for the trunk of the car. So, if a case is where you pack things away for travel, then a car case is the boot.
That’s how I read it. It feels less than convincing but I think it’s right.
September 27th, 2011 at 3:08 pm
I am British, Disco, know about car boots and, indeed, entered carcase at 4d in the grid. Like you, however, I found the equation of case and boot unconvincing. I wonder if Eileen could help?
September 27th, 2011 at 3:35 pm
Hi MEB
I’ve nothing really to add to what Disco says – “if a case is where you pack things away for travel, then a car case is the boot”] – I’m afraid. I didn’t think too deeply about this one – just thought it was a fun type of clue: it did have a ‘perhaps’, to suggest that it was rather whimsical – or droll.
September 27th, 2011 at 6:02 pm
Crosser & Eileen
Thanks Davy,I hope you picked up something useful while you were in there, I didn’t feel anything.
You are right, you read the clue, write in the solution and move on to the next one.
‘Madam’ was a write-in because mother to indicate ma or dam is very hackneyed and in this case there was no need to decide which one was required – both, one after the other!
September 27th, 2011 at 6:05 pm
crosser, Eileen & Rishi.
September 28th, 2011 at 4:36 am
I hate this grid, why does Rufus keep using it? Sorry… too many unchecked letters at the start of words, and four independent puzzles sharing barely a word each, does not fun make. Got all but three, but no step along the way was really pleasureable. Sorry to whine. Thanks for the puzzle, Rufus, and the blog, Eileen. I think my COD was INSOLENCE. Took a lot longer than it should have due to wonderful misdirection.
September 28th, 2011 at 6:49 am
Sorry, only just got back here.
Surely, in 4d, the car case is IN the motorists’ boot, and therefore is not synonymous with it? It is a case which the motorist puts in the boot of his car. Eileen?
September 28th, 2011 at 9:08 am
You’re probably right, crosser. As I said, I think this is one of those clues that you solve instinctively and that perhaps don’t bear too much analysis – fun, though!
September 28th, 2011 at 2:15 pm
First time of commenting on Fifteensquared after lurking for some time. But i would like to point out that MAMMA is also 2 mothers – MAM and MA.
September 28th, 2011 at 4:07 pm
Welcome from a recent joiner.
Yes,Maxine, but there is a cross checking ‘A’ at position four.