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	<title>Comments on: The Guardian No 25,453, by Brummie</title>
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		<title>By: ernie</title>
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		<dc:creator>ernie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2011 19:07:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Brummie and Stella.

I&#039;m in the same league as Tata @8. Good fun and I liked everything being drink/drunk. No objections: I accept dodgy clueing if I can see the answer (eg 8d). Thanks again.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Brummie and Stella.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m in the same league as Tata @8. Good fun and I liked everything being drink/drunk. No objections: I accept dodgy clueing if I can see the answer (eg 8d). Thanks again.</p>
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		<title>By: g larsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>g larsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2011 08:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I must be getting old - there was a time when the Oder was very well-known, as part of the Oder-Neisse line, the new boundary set in 1945 between Poland and (East) Germany.

I was in Szczecin earlier this year - an interesting Hanseatic port with a splendid brick cathedral. The amazing (to a non-Pole) spelling becomes easier if you think of it under its former German name of Stettin.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must be getting old &#8211; there was a time when the Oder was very well-known, as part of the Oder-Neisse line, the new boundary set in 1945 between Poland and (East) Germany.</p>
<p>I was in Szczecin earlier this year &#8211; an interesting Hanseatic port with a splendid brick cathedral. The amazing (to a non-Pole) spelling becomes easier if you think of it under its former German name of Stettin.</p>
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		<title>By: tupu</title>
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		<dc:creator>tupu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2011 08:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi stiofain
I thought about &#039;homo&#039; words. I think this prefix usually implies sameness between one entity and another, rather sameness within an entity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi stiofain<br />
I thought about &#8216;homo&#8217; words. I think this prefix usually implies sameness between one entity and another, rather sameness within an entity.</p>
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		<title>By: Eileen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eileen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2011 07:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nice one, stumped! Hope to hear from you again.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice one, stumped! Hope to hear from you again.</p>
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		<title>By: stumped</title>
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		<dc:creator>stumped</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2011 00:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Eileen and Stella. Thanks for the welcome, this is indeed my first post here. I am returning to Cryptics after a very long time. They&#039;re a rare beast here in the wilds of New England. Much has changed in all matters since I did the Guardian daily at School &amp; Univ. I&#039;m tempted to blame it all on...

Prime Minister threw the hat in late (6,3,3)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Eileen and Stella. Thanks for the welcome, this is indeed my first post here. I am returning to Cryptics after a very long time. They&#8217;re a rare beast here in the wilds of New England. Much has changed in all matters since I did the Guardian daily at School &amp; Univ. I&#8217;m tempted to blame it all on&#8230;</p>
<p>Prime Minister threw the hat in late (6,3,3)</p>
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		<title>By: Stella</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Oct 2011 21:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi stumped and Eileen; I&#039;d no idea of the town when solving, but remembered that, when studying German at school, I learnt that the second verse of their national anthem was forbidden until an eventual reunion, as it went something like &quot;von der Rhein bis an der Oder&quot;.

Sorry to any German speakers if I&#039;ve got my genders wrong - this was some forty years ago.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi stumped and Eileen; I&#8217;d no idea of the town when solving, but remembered that, when studying German at school, I learnt that the second verse of their national anthem was forbidden until an eventual reunion, as it went something like &#8220;von der Rhein bis an der Oder&#8221;.</p>
<p>Sorry to any German speakers if I&#8217;ve got my genders wrong &#8211; this was some forty years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Eileen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eileen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Oct 2011 20:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can&#039;t account for the rogue &#039;O&#039; ;-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t account for the rogue &#8216;O&#8217; <img src='http://www.fifteensquared.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Eileen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eileen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Oct 2011 19:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi stumped

I&#039;m rather sticking my neck out here but I don&#039;t recognise your name [please forgive me if you have posted here before and I&#039;ve missed it and &#039;Welcome&#039;, if you haven&#039;t!] - so perhaps you&#039;re fairly new to cryptic crosswords? ODER is among the top favourite rivers / &#039;flowers&#039; for crossword setters and I think this was Brummie&#039;s way of cluing it rather more cryptically. And he had to get &#039;drink&#039; in somehow! [I&#039;m afraid I hadn&#039;t heard of the Polish city either!0]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi stumped</p>
<p>I&#8217;m rather sticking my neck out here but I don&#8217;t recognise your name [please forgive me if you have posted here before and I've missed it and 'Welcome', if you haven't!] &#8211; so perhaps you&#8217;re fairly new to cryptic crosswords? ODER is among the top favourite rivers / &#8216;flowers&#8217; for crossword setters and I think this was Brummie&#8217;s way of cluing it rather more cryptically. And he had to get &#8216;drink&#8217; in somehow! [I&#8217;m afraid I hadn&#8217;t heard of the Polish city either!0</p>
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		<title>By: stumped</title>
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		<dc:creator>stumped</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Oct 2011 16:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[3down is a bit unfair, or does everyone know rivers in obscure Polish towns? It&#039;s easy enough to get the answer by parsing and check letters but...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>3down is a bit unfair, or does everyone know rivers in obscure Polish towns? It&#8217;s easy enough to get the answer by parsing and check letters but&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Oct 2011 16:45:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As I&#039;ve said before, &quot;themed&quot; puzzles often make for tortuous cluing and so it is here, and was yesterday, IMHO. This type of puzzle seemds designed to show off the ingenuity of the setter rather than to test the orthographic/linguistic skills and capabilities of the solver. Still, it takes all sorts and many enjoyed both. So be it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I&#8217;ve said before, &#8220;themed&#8221; puzzles often make for tortuous cluing and so it is here, and was yesterday, IMHO. This type of puzzle seemds designed to show off the ingenuity of the setter rather than to test the orthographic/linguistic skills and capabilities of the solver. Still, it takes all sorts and many enjoyed both. So be it.</p>
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