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		<title>By: Keeper</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2011/11/15/financial-times-13851-neo/#comment-175236</link>
		<dc:creator>Keeper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2011 10:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[(I&#039;m catching up on two weeks&#039; worth of crosswords, so my late post here probably will go unread.  Nevertheless...)

Re: 11 across.  I think Oliver Hardy was know as &quot;Ollie&quot; rather than &quot;Olly.&quot;  So I think we&#039;re looking at the use of &quot;Olly&quot; as a diminutive form of a non-specific Oliver (unless NEO had Oliver &quot;Olly&quot; Steeds in mind, though that probably is a bit too obscure).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(I&#8217;m catching up on two weeks&#8217; worth of crosswords, so my late post here probably will go unread.  Nevertheless&#8230;)</p>
<p>Re: 11 across.  I think Oliver Hardy was know as &#8220;Ollie&#8221; rather than &#8220;Olly.&#8221;  So I think we&#8217;re looking at the use of &#8220;Olly&#8221; as a diminutive form of a non-specific Oliver (unless NEO had Oliver &#8220;Olly&#8221; Steeds in mind, though that probably is a bit too obscure).</p>
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		<title>By: Neo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2011 19:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks all - back from the sticks now, so tooled up accordingly.

I forgot to clarify that &#039;Lord&#039;s&#039; gag whilst I was scurrying around packing my country cap, wellies and blunderbuss, but Sil gets it in one: I put His at the beginning of the clue to conceal the fact that for the idea to work, it needs a cap. Looks like a cricket clue, but ain&#039;t.

As to possible controversy I&#039;m not in any way religious, so tend to take our language, in whichever text, as I find it without worrying too much about offending others so long as I wouldn&#039;t be miffed myself kinda thing, but it is most definitely one to watch out for. I have given cause for offence in this regard once before, but it was a very particular circumstance, and quite a technical point even within that, and so, ultimately a bit of a surprise. But there ye are. We aim to please, but sometimes miss.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks all &#8211; back from the sticks now, so tooled up accordingly.</p>
<p>I forgot to clarify that &#8216;Lord&#8217;s&#8217; gag whilst I was scurrying around packing my country cap, wellies and blunderbuss, but Sil gets it in one: I put His at the beginning of the clue to conceal the fact that for the idea to work, it needs a cap. Looks like a cricket clue, but ain&#8217;t.</p>
<p>As to possible controversy I&#8217;m not in any way religious, so tend to take our language, in whichever text, as I find it without worrying too much about offending others so long as I wouldn&#8217;t be miffed myself kinda thing, but it is most definitely one to watch out for. I have given cause for offence in this regard once before, but it was a very particular circumstance, and quite a technical point even within that, and so, ultimately a bit of a surprise. But there ye are. We aim to please, but sometimes miss.</p>
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		<title>By: Sil van den Hoek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sil van den Hoek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 22:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This was perhaps the hardest Neo puzzle I&#039;ve solved thus far.
That said, there was (not so very long ago) another one referring to the financial world that went a bit beyond me.

That I couldn&#039;t finish this crossword is completely my own fault, writing in &#039;obstretic&#039; at 8d instead of OBSTETRIC, therefore getting lost on 12ac (which was very nice in hindsight) and 15ac.

The &#039;park&#039; mystery has been unveiled by Neo himself, and I have to say the explanation is very convincing.

Just like for Ferret, the crucial LOLLY (11ac) was one of my last (but the &#039;money&#039; connection was clear, of course). Nevertheless, not being able to find this one right away, gave me a bit of an unsettled feeling.

Finally, I want to say something about the point Dash came up with @8.
For me it was instantly clear that HIS (14ac) was defined by &quot;Lord&#039;s&quot; (of the Lord).
It did remind me of one of the clues I wrote myself a while ago, and which turned out to be rather controversial.
In the original version of my first ever crossword I clued CHIME by &quot;Ring God in church&quot;. Alberich didn&#039;t like it nor did the well-respected Eileen. And when asked, a few months ago in Birmingham, Anax wasn&#039;t keen on it either (to put it mildly).
Even though I am something of an atheist, I know that in the Bible &quot;He&quot; (with a capital H) stands for &quot;God&quot; (Our Lord). In my native country it is quite normal to equate &quot;He&quot; or &quot;Him&quot; with &quot;God&quot;, but apparently not here in the UK.
Despite all the negative comments, I still like the clue, even increasingly so - in particular, because of its imagery.
And so today, I was very pleased to see &quot;Lord&#039;s&quot; leading to &quot;His&quot;.
Sorry, if you think I am self-indulgent now, but I drank a glass or two to it tonight! :)

Many thanks, duncan, for your unbelievably detailed blog.
And the same to Neo, who produced (as ever) a precise, fair and challenging crossword which was this time more Tees than Neo.
No problem with that though.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was perhaps the hardest Neo puzzle I&#8217;ve solved thus far.<br />
That said, there was (not so very long ago) another one referring to the financial world that went a bit beyond me.</p>
<p>That I couldn&#8217;t finish this crossword is completely my own fault, writing in &#8216;obstretic&#8217; at 8d instead of OBSTETRIC, therefore getting lost on 12ac (which was very nice in hindsight) and 15ac.</p>
<p>The &#8216;park&#8217; mystery has been unveiled by Neo himself, and I have to say the explanation is very convincing.</p>
<p>Just like for Ferret, the crucial LOLLY (11ac) was one of my last (but the &#8216;money&#8217; connection was clear, of course). Nevertheless, not being able to find this one right away, gave me a bit of an unsettled feeling.</p>
<p>Finally, I want to say something about the point Dash came up with @8.<br />
For me it was instantly clear that HIS (14ac) was defined by &#8220;Lord&#8217;s&#8221; (of the Lord).<br />
It did remind me of one of the clues I wrote myself a while ago, and which turned out to be rather controversial.<br />
In the original version of my first ever crossword I clued CHIME by &#8220;Ring God in church&#8221;. Alberich didn&#8217;t like it nor did the well-respected Eileen. And when asked, a few months ago in Birmingham, Anax wasn&#8217;t keen on it either (to put it mildly).<br />
Even though I am something of an atheist, I know that in the Bible &#8220;He&#8221; (with a capital H) stands for &#8220;God&#8221; (Our Lord). In my native country it is quite normal to equate &#8220;He&#8221; or &#8220;Him&#8221; with &#8220;God&#8221;, but apparently not here in the UK.<br />
Despite all the negative comments, I still like the clue, even increasingly so &#8211; in particular, because of its imagery.<br />
And so today, I was very pleased to see &#8220;Lord&#8217;s&#8221; leading to &#8220;His&#8221;.<br />
Sorry, if you think I am self-indulgent now, but I drank a glass or two to it tonight! <img src='http://www.fifteensquared.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Many thanks, duncan, for your unbelievably detailed blog.<br />
And the same to Neo, who produced (as ever) a precise, fair and challenging crossword which was this time more Tees than Neo.<br />
No problem with that though.</p>
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		<title>By: Dash</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 20:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: 14 across.  I assume the &#039;His&#039; in this sense would be the one with the significant capitalisation which would refer to the Christian &#039;Lord&#039;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: 14 across.  I assume the &#8216;His&#8217; in this sense would be the one with the significant capitalisation which would refer to the Christian &#8216;Lord&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ferret</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ferret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 15:04:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A rarity where the last part of the theme I solved was the theme word itself?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A rarity where the last part of the theme I solved was the theme word itself?</p>
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		<title>By: Hamilton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hamilton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 12:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That was an entertaining and deceptively difficult one - half an hour I thought at first, but it ended up at two hours. Thanks Neo, and duncanshiell for the blog (incidentally, your parsing of 14a seems spot on to me).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was an entertaining and deceptively difficult one &#8211; half an hour I thought at first, but it ended up at two hours. Thanks Neo, and duncanshiell for the blog (incidentally, your parsing of 14a seems spot on to me).</p>
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		<title>By: duncanshiell</title>
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		<dc:creator>duncanshiell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 10:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks to Neo @2 for explaining &#039;park&#039; better than I could.  Thanks also @3 for pointing out &#039;heart&#039;.  I now realise that I didn&#039;t use &#039;heart&#039; in the explanation of the wordplay.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to Neo @2 for explaining &#8216;park&#8217; better than I could.  Thanks also @3 for pointing out &#8216;heart&#8217;.  I now realise that I didn&#8217;t use &#8216;heart&#8217; in the explanation of the wordplay.</p>
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		<title>By: duncanshiell</title>
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		<dc:creator>duncanshiell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 10:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Joe @ 1

POssibly &#039;11 found in GB athletic parks&#039; would work just as well, but I&#039;m not a setter.

However, Chambers does support the word &#039;park&#039;, in the singular, as a word meaning &#039;put into&#039;  as follows:  
 
park (verb transitive): to place and leave (a vehicle) in a parking place or elsewhere; to deposit and leave, put (informal); to enclose in a park; to make a park of; to register (securities) under some other name in order to hide their true ownership.

For OLLY, I think Stan Laurel and Oliver Hardy were fairly commonly know as Stan and Olly]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe @ 1</p>
<p>POssibly &#8217;11 found in GB athletic parks&#8217; would work just as well, but I&#8217;m not a setter.</p>
<p>However, Chambers does support the word &#8216;park&#8217;, in the singular, as a word meaning &#8216;put into&#8217;  as follows:  </p>
<p>park (verb transitive): to place and leave (a vehicle) in a parking place or elsewhere; to deposit and leave, put (informal); to enclose in a park; to make a park of; to register (securities) under some other name in order to hide their true ownership.</p>
<p>For OLLY, I think Stan Laurel and Oliver Hardy were fairly commonly know as Stan and Olly</p>
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		<title>By: Neo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 10:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[... and &#039;Sinead o&#039;Connor&#039;s heart&#039; are the exact middle letters: it&#039;s not strictly a &#039;hidden&#039;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; and &#8216;Sinead o&#8217;Connor&#8217;s heart&#8217; are the exact middle letters: it&#8217;s not strictly a &#8216;hidden&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Neo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 10:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[At 19A &#039;park&#039; gets its plural usage from the four fodder elements &#039;found&#039;, &#039;in&#039;, &#039;GB&#039; &amp; &#039;athletics&#039;; but by the same (sort of) token, it could be justified by the string of letters spanning from F in found to S in athletics. In some sense, and whichever way you look at it, these &#039;park&#039; the required word. 

I&#039;m outta here for a while so many thanks to DS for his wonderfully precise blog, and to all who choose to contribute.

Cheers!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At 19A &#8216;park&#8217; gets its plural usage from the four fodder elements &#8216;found&#8217;, &#8216;in&#8217;, &#8216;GB&#8217; &amp; &#8216;athletics&#8217;; but by the same (sort of) token, it could be justified by the string of letters spanning from F in found to S in athletics. In some sense, and whichever way you look at it, these &#8216;park&#8217; the required word. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m outta here for a while so many thanks to DS for his wonderfully precise blog, and to all who choose to contribute.</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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