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		<title>By: Simon Harris</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2011/11/30/independent-7839tees/#comment-175942</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2011 00:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ll belatedly weigh in to say that I thought this was a top drawer puzzle. This is exactly why I buy the Indy, so good stuff, Tees. The use of &quot;resort&quot; at one point was lovely.

Incidentally, I was pleased to note that the mobile theme for the site works rather nicely, as I dialled in from the Prince Regent to see whether I&#039;d got FELL - the last one in - right.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll belatedly weigh in to say that I thought this was a top drawer puzzle. This is exactly why I buy the Indy, so good stuff, Tees. The use of &#8220;resort&#8221; at one point was lovely.</p>
<p>Incidentally, I was pleased to note that the mobile theme for the site works rather nicely, as I dialled in from the Prince Regent to see whether I&#8217;d got FELL &#8211; the last one in &#8211; right.</p>
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		<title>By: Sil van den Hoek</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2011/11/30/independent-7839tees/#comment-175937</link>
		<dc:creator>Sil van den Hoek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2011 23:48:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Last Saturday (in Derby) &quot;some of us&quot; thought there was perhaps something wrong with me as I was less prominent at this site than before. Well, fortunately there isn&#039;t something wrong with me (yet) - it&#039;s just the factors called Time and Energy that made me decide to be a bit more selective.

I think this puzzle deserves full credit.
At a first glance, the clues were almost unusually short for a Tees. And after making a quick start helped by no less than 8 anagrams, I thought this would be plain sailing.
It was not, but certainly not at the hard end of the Indy&#039;s spectrum either.

As for others, 17d needed an explanation, but it had to be TOOTHACHE [almost looks like TOO THATCHER, but that would give me another kind of ACHE :)].

The hiddens solution of 21d (HASTE) was one my last. The surface of this clue is so natural that one doesn&#039;t think of this device in the first place. A very well written clue.
Another highlight for me was LYING (12ac) in which &#039;flat&#039; and &#039; fish&#039; had to be separated.
And I liked Mahler&#039;s Third too. The H was clear enough, but I wanted it to be pasted into something else (which wasn&#039;t there).

Many thanks, John, for your blog, and even more to Tees for an inspiring puzzle.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last Saturday (in Derby) &#8220;some of us&#8221; thought there was perhaps something wrong with me as I was less prominent at this site than before. Well, fortunately there isn&#8217;t something wrong with me (yet) &#8211; it&#8217;s just the factors called Time and Energy that made me decide to be a bit more selective.</p>
<p>I think this puzzle deserves full credit.<br />
At a first glance, the clues were almost unusually short for a Tees. And after making a quick start helped by no less than 8 anagrams, I thought this would be plain sailing.<br />
It was not, but certainly not at the hard end of the Indy&#8217;s spectrum either.</p>
<p>As for others, 17d needed an explanation, but it had to be TOOTHACHE [almost looks like TOO THATCHER, but that would give me another kind of ACHE <img src='http://www.fifteensquared.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> ].</p>
<p>The hiddens solution of 21d (HASTE) was one my last. The surface of this clue is so natural that one doesn&#8217;t think of this device in the first place. A very well written clue.<br />
Another highlight for me was LYING (12ac) in which &#8216;flat&#8217; and &#8216; fish&#8217; had to be separated.<br />
And I liked Mahler&#8217;s Third too. The H was clear enough, but I wanted it to be pasted into something else (which wasn&#8217;t there).</p>
<p>Many thanks, John, for your blog, and even more to Tees for an inspiring puzzle.</p>
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		<title>By: flashling</title>
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		<dc:creator>flashling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2011 22:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Took me the return home to finish this, well a few minutes more, quite tricky to me. But mostly fair to me just my own supidity (writing answers in wrong place) causing me problems. Cheers Tees a good if unexpected one and John for blog for some I wasn&#039;t quite certain about.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Took me the return home to finish this, well a few minutes more, quite tricky to me. But mostly fair to me just my own supidity (writing answers in wrong place) causing me problems. Cheers Tees a good if unexpected one and John for blog for some I wasn&#8217;t quite certain about.</p>
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		<title>By: sidey</title>
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		<dc:creator>sidey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2011 16:51:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I sincerely hope you are as tongue-in-cheek as I was Pelham...

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sincerely hope you are as tongue-in-cheek as I was Pelham&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tees</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2011/11/30/independent-7839tees/#comment-175899</link>
		<dc:creator>Tees</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2011 14:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ahh! A considered response ...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahh! A considered response &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Pelham Barton</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2011/11/30/independent-7839tees/#comment-175896</link>
		<dc:creator>Pelham Barton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2011 13:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Tees for a puzzle with a lot of good clues and John for the blog.

sidey @7: You need to take account of the subtleties of rhyming slang. The rhyme is indeed &quot;Hampstead Heath = teeth&quot;, but in abbreviated slang, &quot;teeth&quot; would be called &quot;Hampsteads&quot;, to acknowledge the plural. On this logic &quot;Hampstead&quot; is actually slang for &quot;tooth&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Tees for a puzzle with a lot of good clues and John for the blog.</p>
<p>sidey @7: You need to take account of the subtleties of rhyming slang. The rhyme is indeed &#8220;Hampstead Heath = teeth&#8221;, but in abbreviated slang, &#8220;teeth&#8221; would be called &#8220;Hampsteads&#8221;, to acknowledge the plural. On this logic &#8220;Hampstead&#8221; is actually slang for &#8220;tooth&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: sidey</title>
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		<dc:creator>sidey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2011 13:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks both. All very good although I remain to be convinced of a problem with teeth being toothache. After all, one fractured humerus would not be trouble with arms.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks both. All very good although I remain to be convinced of a problem with teeth being toothache. After all, one fractured humerus would not be trouble with arms.</p>
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		<title>By: Tees</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tees</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2011 13:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[12A: nounal, thus &#039;tail of any&#039;.
13A: &#039;to make cuts&#039; = economise, ind. Collins 8 adj.
22A: it is &#039;simply&#039; the full spelling of H, but Mahler&#039;s Third is the longest symphony in the repertoire, so hopefully there is a little bit of &#039;something else going on&#039;.
24A: see below.
25A: &#039;mournful or thoughtful&#039; Chambers 21st 1 (presumably as it&#039;s &#039;of (e.g.) pensive mood&#039;).
26A: I might be persuaded to agree with you on this: the second def is &#039;something that binds&#039; (Chambers).

6D: well spotted (phew).
7D: as Thomas observes, &#039;readiness&#039; and &#039;being prepared&#039; can be synonymous. Try &#039;in a state of readiness/ being prepared&#039;.
8D: yes, you are, as MikeC advises, missing something. Siege Perilous etc.
15D: N/ EAR THING* per dialrib, &#039;cut&#039; is the ind.
17D: rhyming slang (per dialrib).
19D: yes there is one in Vermont, but I prefer this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Markham

Are we there yet? Well, looks like it.

Re &#039;inelegant&#039; link words, I am intrigued: why is &#039;with&#039; seen as wrong and bad (I presume this to be a generally-held view, and not something that Wil has decided upon for himself)? It can&#039;t be because such usage may appear to change the tense of the definition, can it? If so, then, &#039;in&#039;, &#039;getting&#039;, &#039;for&#039; and several others would seem to qualify by the same reasoning. Whatever, it seems to me an interesting conversation waiting to happen, so I think I&#039;ll plonk it up at CC (where the Big Bad Grammarians live).

Thanks Wil, thanks all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>12A: nounal, thus &#8216;tail of any&#8217;.<br />
13A: &#8216;to make cuts&#8217; = economise, ind. Collins 8 adj.<br />
22A: it is &#8216;simply&#8217; the full spelling of H, but Mahler&#8217;s Third is the longest symphony in the repertoire, so hopefully there is a little bit of &#8216;something else going on&#8217;.<br />
24A: see below.<br />
25A: &#8216;mournful or thoughtful&#8217; Chambers 21st 1 (presumably as it&#8217;s &#8216;of (e.g.) pensive mood&#8217;).<br />
26A: I might be persuaded to agree with you on this: the second def is &#8216;something that binds&#8217; (Chambers).</p>
<p>6D: well spotted (phew).<br />
7D: as Thomas observes, &#8216;readiness&#8217; and &#8216;being prepared&#8217; can be synonymous. Try &#8216;in a state of readiness/ being prepared&#8217;.<br />
8D: yes, you are, as MikeC advises, missing something. Siege Perilous etc.<br />
15D: N/ EAR THING* per dialrib, &#8216;cut&#8217; is the ind.<br />
17D: rhyming slang (per dialrib).<br />
19D: yes there is one in Vermont, but I prefer this one: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Markham" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Markham</a></p>
<p>Are we there yet? Well, looks like it.</p>
<p>Re &#8216;inelegant&#8217; link words, I am intrigued: why is &#8216;with&#8217; seen as wrong and bad (I presume this to be a generally-held view, and not something that Wil has decided upon for himself)? It can&#8217;t be because such usage may appear to change the tense of the definition, can it? If so, then, &#8216;in&#8217;, &#8216;getting&#8217;, &#8216;for&#8217; and several others would seem to qualify by the same reasoning. Whatever, it seems to me an interesting conversation waiting to happen, so I think I&#8217;ll plonk it up at CC (where the Big Bad Grammarians live).</p>
<p>Thanks Wil, thanks all.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas99</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2011 10:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oops sorry, me again. I misread you on 7d. You think readiness can&#039;t mean being prepared? I don&#039;t follow.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops sorry, me again. I misread you on 7d. You think readiness can&#8217;t mean being prepared? I don&#8217;t follow.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas99</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2011 10:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re 7d (as I think MikeC was indicating), you seem to have left out the &quot;being&quot; from the definition, which is &quot;being prepared&quot;. 

Sorry for terseness above - suddenly got through on the phone after waiting a long time so kept it brief. Thanks for the blog and to Tees for the puzzle of course.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re 7d (as I think MikeC was indicating), you seem to have left out the &#8220;being&#8221; from the definition, which is &#8220;being prepared&#8221;. </p>
<p>Sorry for terseness above &#8211; suddenly got through on the phone after waiting a long time so kept it brief. Thanks for the blog and to Tees for the puzzle of course.</p>
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