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		<title>By: slipstream</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2011/12/12/guardian-25503-rufus/#comment-176806</link>
		<dc:creator>slipstream</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2011 01:24:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[UPPERS has two definitions: 

1. The part of a boot or shoe above the sole.
2. A stimulating drug, esp. amphetamine.

Here in the US the second meaning is more common.  And I think it fits the clue better:  &quot;Yet one may be at one&#039;s lowest on them.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UPPERS has two definitions: </p>
<p>1. The part of a boot or shoe above the sole.<br />
2. A stimulating drug, esp. amphetamine.</p>
<p>Here in the US the second meaning is more common.  And I think it fits the clue better:  &#8220;Yet one may be at one&#8217;s lowest on them.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Davy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Davy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2011 20:24:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Andrew,

Just for the sake of accuracy, in 16a you have &#039;live&#039; in brackets instead of love.

A very enjoyable puzzle from Rufus which I actually finished for a change although my wife came up with landslide. I asked her if she could think of a word with the letters L_N_S_I__ and she came straight back with the correct answer. I was humbled and told her that nobody likes a smart a**e.

Favourites were PORTRAYAL, YVES, COUPLING, SPECTACLE, RELIEVE, PROVENDER and GESTURE. I also thought that 4d (YANKEES) was wonderfully concise.

Thanks Rufus.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Andrew,</p>
<p>Just for the sake of accuracy, in 16a you have &#8216;live&#8217; in brackets instead of love.</p>
<p>A very enjoyable puzzle from Rufus which I actually finished for a change although my wife came up with landslide. I asked her if she could think of a word with the letters L_N_S_I__ and she came straight back with the correct answer. I was humbled and told her that nobody likes a smart a**e.</p>
<p>Favourites were PORTRAYAL, YVES, COUPLING, SPECTACLE, RELIEVE, PROVENDER and GESTURE. I also thought that 4d (YANKEES) was wonderfully concise.</p>
<p>Thanks Rufus.</p>
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		<title>By: tupu</title>
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		<dc:creator>tupu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2011 17:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re causes

I differ on this from Eileen and Gervase.

Although different components of the spectrum of meanings of &#039;cause&#039; merge into each other, the list given in Collins (below) shows the outer edges concerned here to be reasonably far apart. 

1. a person, thing, event, state, or action that produces an effect
2. grounds for action; motive; justification
3. the ideals, etc., of a group or movement

&#039;Reasons&#039; in the clue fits clearly in differing senses as part of 1 and 2 - NB 1 does not in ordinary usage predicate the presence of mind or intention, nor the key terms of 3.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re causes</p>
<p>I differ on this from Eileen and Gervase.</p>
<p>Although different components of the spectrum of meanings of &#8217;cause&#8217; merge into each other, the list given in Collins (below) shows the outer edges concerned here to be reasonably far apart. </p>
<p>1. a person, thing, event, state, or action that produces an effect<br />
2. grounds for action; motive; justification<br />
3. the ideals, etc., of a group or movement</p>
<p>&#8216;Reasons&#8217; in the clue fits clearly in differing senses as part of 1 and 2 &#8211; NB 1 does not in ordinary usage predicate the presence of mind or intention, nor the key terms of 3.</p>
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		<title>By: RCWhiting</title>
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		<dc:creator>RCWhiting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2011 17:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No,I think there are others!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No,I think there are others!</p>
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		<title>By: Anth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2011 16:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good</p>
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		<title>By: RCWhiting</title>
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		<dc:creator>RCWhiting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2011 16:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: 12ac It would seem that in past centuries the state of a person&#039;s footwear was considered the most prominent indicator of their financial standing. &#039;Down at heel&#039;comes to mind but I think their are others.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: 12ac It would seem that in past centuries the state of a person&#8217;s footwear was considered the most prominent indicator of their financial standing. &#8216;Down at heel&#8217;comes to mind but I think their are others.</p>
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		<title>By: RCWhiting</title>
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		<dc:creator>RCWhiting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2011 16:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks all
At last a Rufus with some teeth.
The SW corner plus &#039;unbutton&#039; kept my brain working for a good few minutes longer than the usual Monday offering.
That&#039;s postponed the dementia for a while.
I thought &#039;landslide&#039; was clever.
I think the argument over 22ac is totally unreasonable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks all<br />
At last a Rufus with some teeth.<br />
The SW corner plus &#8216;unbutton&#8217; kept my brain working for a good few minutes longer than the usual Monday offering.<br />
That&#8217;s postponed the dementia for a while.<br />
I thought &#8216;landslide&#8217; was clever.<br />
I think the argument over 22ac is totally unreasonable.</p>
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		<title>By: chas</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2011 15:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks to Andrew for the blog. I had LANDSLIDE as the only word that would fit that space but I needed you to remind me that &#039;party&#039; and &#039;swing&#039; also have political meanings!

Some excellently misleading clues here: on 6a I spent some time trying to fit M (French Monsieur) into a three-letter word meaning grubby. Then I looked again and saw it staring me in the face.

I also read 8a as PUBLIC + A + N(ew).
Good clues also at 15, 1d and 14.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to Andrew for the blog. I had LANDSLIDE as the only word that would fit that space but I needed you to remind me that &#8216;party&#8217; and &#8216;swing&#8217; also have political meanings!</p>
<p>Some excellently misleading clues here: on 6a I spent some time trying to fit M (French Monsieur) into a three-letter word meaning grubby. Then I looked again and saw it staring me in the face.</p>
<p>I also read 8a as PUBLIC + A + N(ew).<br />
Good clues also at 15, 1d and 14.</p>
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		<title>By: Gervase</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gervase</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2011 13:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Andrew.

I liked this one a lot - perhaps because it is relatively light on the double defs.  Particularly good cryptic defs at 25a and 5d, fun hidden clues at 6a and 27a, and 15a and 3d are clever.

And the bad news?  SHIPMATES didn&#039;t wow me, because &#039;ship&#039; appears in both anagram fodder and solution, and, like others, I felt that CAUSES was barely cryptic.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Andrew.</p>
<p>I liked this one a lot &#8211; perhaps because it is relatively light on the double defs.  Particularly good cryptic defs at 25a and 5d, fun hidden clues at 6a and 27a, and 15a and 3d are clever.</p>
<p>And the bad news?  SHIPMATES didn&#8217;t wow me, because &#8216;ship&#8217; appears in both anagram fodder and solution, and, like others, I felt that CAUSES was barely cryptic.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2011 12:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just reading through the clues now, and 17D I think would be my victim for the day. Not an &amp;lit, so the definition, suggesting something adjectival, might be a bit suspect: the order of events too isn&#039;t really correct, for a down clue, where &#039;on&#039; is used to mean &#039;on top of&#039; (where deployed across, it generally means &#039;placed after&#039;, and would have been fine). And the suspicious double appearance of Eve ... hmm.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just reading through the clues now, and 17D I think would be my victim for the day. Not an &amp;lit, so the definition, suggesting something adjectival, might be a bit suspect: the order of events too isn&#8217;t really correct, for a down clue, where &#8216;on&#8217; is used to mean &#8216;on top of&#8217; (where deployed across, it generally means &#8216;placed after&#8217;, and would have been fine). And the suspicious double appearance of Eve &#8230; hmm.</p>
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