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	<title>Comments on: Financial Times 13,882 by Cinephile</title>
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		<title>By: Wanderer</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2011/12/21/financial-times-13882-by-cinephile/#comment-177614</link>
		<dc:creator>Wanderer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 21:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[PeeDee, many thanks for your heroic efforts to get to the bottom of the mystery. It&#039;s either Cinephile dropping in (unlikely, I think) or someone in fifteensquaredland who knows the FT crossword editor persuading that person to explain...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PeeDee, many thanks for your heroic efforts to get to the bottom of the mystery. It&#8217;s either Cinephile dropping in (unlikely, I think) or someone in fifteensquaredland who knows the FT crossword editor persuading that person to explain&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: PeeDee</title>
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		<dc:creator>PeeDee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 21:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Unless Cinephile choses to drop in I think it is the closest to an answer we are ever going to get.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unless Cinephile choses to drop in I think it is the closest to an answer we are ever going to get.</p>
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		<title>By: mike04</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike04</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 18:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like your idea for the wordplay in *19. 

With a butterfly/moth confusion and a hint of Alice&#039;s Adventures in Wonderland, 
the definition could be the one you&#039;ve suggested.

Maybe some sort of clarification is just understood?  
&quot;down&quot; probably means &quot;underground&quot; (for the creature you enter as your answer)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like your idea for the wordplay in *19. </p>
<p>With a butterfly/moth confusion and a hint of Alice&#8217;s Adventures in Wonderland,<br />
the definition could be the one you&#8217;ve suggested.</p>
<p>Maybe some sort of clarification is just understood?<br />
&#8220;down&#8221; probably means &#8220;underground&#8221; (for the creature you enter as your answer)</p>
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		<title>By: PeeDee</title>
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		<dc:creator>PeeDee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 14:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have an idea!  

If &#039;went down&#039; were to mean reduced or shortened, then &quot;Christopher Robin went down&quot; would be Chris, &#039;with Alice&#039; would give Chris-Alice, and &#039;say&#039; indicating a homophone gives CHRYSALIS.

This would leave the definition as &quot;down probably meaning underground&quot;, which I am still stumped on, but at least it gives a well constructed wordplay.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have an idea!  </p>
<p>If &#8216;went down&#8217; were to mean reduced or shortened, then &#8220;Christopher Robin went down&#8221; would be Chris, &#8216;with Alice&#8217; would give Chris-Alice, and &#8216;say&#8217; indicating a homophone gives CHRYSALIS.</p>
<p>This would leave the definition as &#8220;down probably meaning underground&#8221;, which I am still stumped on, but at least it gives a well constructed wordplay.</p>
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		<title>By: PeeDee</title>
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		<dc:creator>PeeDee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 13:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can image being &quot;cocooned in the warm glow&quot; but I can&#039;t imagine &quot;chrysalised in the warm glow&quot;, just dosn&#039;t work as anything other than a noun.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can image being &#8220;cocooned in the warm glow&#8221; but I can&#8217;t imagine &#8220;chrysalised in the warm glow&#8221;, just dosn&#8217;t work as anything other than a noun.</p>
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		<title>By: mike04</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike04</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 12:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[CHRYSALIS looks like a noun. If any noun can be used as an adjective ...
Now I&#039;m confusing myself. Mike]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CHRYSALIS looks like a noun. If any noun can be used as an adjective &#8230;<br />
Now I&#8217;m confusing myself. Mike</p>
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		<title>By: PeeDee</title>
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		<dc:creator>PeeDee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 12:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi mike04

I like the idea of splitting &quot;down probably meaning underground&quot; into either &quot;down&quot; and &quot;probabbly meaning underground&quot;, or &quot;down probably&quot; and &quot;meaning undergound&quot;.

The latter would be the definition and the former would be part of word play.

There may be a usage of chrysalis that means &#039;a hidden body&#039; i.e. &#039;underground&#039;, in the sense of sub-culture or resistance fighters.  It is not in my Chambers, but some other dictionary may have it.

Possibly, as jmac suggests, this definition would be accentuated if Cinephile has confused a chrysalis (definitely suspended above ground) with a cocoon that may be buried underground, and which conveys a greater sense of &#039;hidden&#039; in its meanings and usages.

I still can&#039;t work out how &quot;down&quot; or &quot;down probably&quot; works though.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi mike04</p>
<p>I like the idea of splitting &#8220;down probably meaning underground&#8221; into either &#8220;down&#8221; and &#8220;probabbly meaning underground&#8221;, or &#8220;down probably&#8221; and &#8220;meaning undergound&#8221;.</p>
<p>The latter would be the definition and the former would be part of word play.</p>
<p>There may be a usage of chrysalis that means &#8216;a hidden body&#8217; i.e. &#8216;underground&#8217;, in the sense of sub-culture or resistance fighters.  It is not in my Chambers, but some other dictionary may have it.</p>
<p>Possibly, as jmac suggests, this definition would be accentuated if Cinephile has confused a chrysalis (definitely suspended above ground) with a cocoon that may be buried underground, and which conveys a greater sense of &#8216;hidden&#8217; in its meanings and usages.</p>
<p>I still can&#8217;t work out how &#8220;down&#8221; or &#8220;down probably&#8221; works though.</p>
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		<title>By: mike04</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 11:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi PeeDee. 

The question mark at the end of the quotation may be emphasising the word DOWN. 
I think it can mean &#039;in a comatose state&#039; after, say, an anaesthetic. 
UNDERGROUND can mean &#039;concealed and done in secret&#039;.

Both of these seem to describe a CHRYSALIS quite well.
I&#039;m not sure how to connect this with the noun in the solution though!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi PeeDee. </p>
<p>The question mark at the end of the quotation may be emphasising the word DOWN.<br />
I think it can mean &#8216;in a comatose state&#8217; after, say, an anaesthetic.<br />
UNDERGROUND can mean &#8216;concealed and done in secret&#8217;.</p>
<p>Both of these seem to describe a CHRYSALIS quite well.<br />
I&#8217;m not sure how to connect this with the noun in the solution though!</p>
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		<title>By: mlega</title>
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		<dc:creator>mlega</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 01:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a child I was convinced that there were underground caverns at Buckingham Palace, since the poem says: &quot;They&#039;ve great big parties inside the grounds/I wouldn&#039;t be king for a hundred pounds/ says Alice&quot;

But I am as mystified as everyone else about how the clue works.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a child I was convinced that there were underground caverns at Buckingham Palace, since the poem says: &#8220;They&#8217;ve great big parties inside the grounds/I wouldn&#8217;t be king for a hundred pounds/ says Alice&#8221;</p>
<p>But I am as mystified as everyone else about how the clue works.</p>
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		<title>By: PeeDee</title>
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		<dc:creator>PeeDee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 00:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks JollySwagman, Alice makes only a passing reference to a chrysalis in the Advice From a Catapillar section, it doesn&#039;t seem enough to constitute a definition, not even a crptic reference really.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks JollySwagman, Alice makes only a passing reference to a chrysalis in the Advice From a Catapillar section, it doesn&#8217;t seem enough to constitute a definition, not even a crptic reference really.</p>
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