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		<title>By: Tees</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2011/12/29/independent-7864-tees/#comment-177975</link>
		<dc:creator>Tees</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2011 21:33:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you all very much indeed for the comments, and to Ali for the excellent blog.

14A is meant to parse as a fairly jocular charade using UNDER plus WEAR, but I agree it has its CD characteristics! The only other item I have is that the U in UXORIAL is clued &#039;acceptable to posh&#039;: one for good old Nancy Mitford, that is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you all very much indeed for the comments, and to Ali for the excellent blog.</p>
<p>14A is meant to parse as a fairly jocular charade using UNDER plus WEAR, but I agree it has its CD characteristics! The only other item I have is that the U in UXORIAL is clued &#8216;acceptable to posh&#8217;: one for good old Nancy Mitford, that is.</p>
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		<title>By: Allan_C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allan_C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2011 20:56:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Got it all, though without fully understanding some of the clues, so thanks to Ali for the blog.  RYOKAN was a new word to me but http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryokan_%28Japanese_inn%29 explained it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Got it all, though without fully understanding some of the clues, so thanks to Ali for the blog.  RYOKAN was a new word to me but <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryokan_%28Japanese_inn%29" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryokan_%28Japanese_inn%29</a> explained it.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathryn's Dad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathryn's Dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2011 20:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, both.  I&#039;ve seen OR for the gold bit in previous puzzles, and that&#039;s a clever clue now you&#039;ve explained it; but can&#039;t say I&#039;ve come across any of those other two babies before ...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, both.  I&#8217;ve seen OR for the gold bit in previous puzzles, and that&#8217;s a clever clue now you&#8217;ve explained it; but can&#8217;t say I&#8217;ve come across any of those other two babies before &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Pelham Barton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pelham Barton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2011 18:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[... and in my comment @7 crossing nms @6, &quot;with&quot; not &quot;wirh&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; and in my comment @7 crossing nms @6, &#8220;with&#8221; not &#8220;wirh&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: nmsindy</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2011/12/29/independent-7864-tees/#comment-177967</link>
		<dc:creator>nmsindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2011 18:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe even two or three-letter things...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe even two or three-letter things&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Pelham Barton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pelham Barton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2011 18:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[K&#039;s Dad @5 and using &lt;i&gt;Chambers&lt;/i&gt; 2011:

23ac: &lt;b&gt;or²&lt;/b&gt; &lt;i&gt;(heraldry) n&lt;/i&gt; the tincture gold or yellow, so &quot;or more?&quot; indicates a comparative yellower - the dodgy nature of this indicated by a question mark.

3dn:  &lt;b&gt;no[4]&lt;/b&gt; &lt;i&gt;n&lt;/i&gt; the traditional Japanese style of drama developed out of a religious dance.

4dn: &lt;b&gt;ba&lt;/b&gt; &lt;i&gt;n&lt;/i&gt; in ancient Egyptian religion, the soul, represented as a bird wirh a human head. 

OR and NO are almost crossword cliches - I did not know BA, but it had to be that to fit the rest of the clue.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>K&#8217;s Dad @5 and using <i>Chambers</i> 2011:</p>
<p>23ac: <b>or²</b> <i>(heraldry) n</i> the tincture gold or yellow, so &#8220;or more?&#8221; indicates a comparative yellower &#8211; the dodgy nature of this indicated by a question mark.</p>
<p>3dn:  <b>no[4]</b> <i>n</i> the traditional Japanese style of drama developed out of a religious dance.</p>
<p>4dn: <b>ba</b> <i>n</i> in ancient Egyptian religion, the soul, represented as a bird wirh a human head. </p>
<p>OR and NO are almost crossword cliches &#8211; I did not know BA, but it had to be that to fit the rest of the clue.</p>
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		<title>By: nmsindy</title>
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		<dc:creator>nmsindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2011 18:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re K&#039;s D at #6, Or = gold (yellow) so &#039;or more&#039; = yellower.   Ba = soul (from Egypt) and No (or Noh) = drama from Japan.  These are two or three-word things that tend to be used in puzzles that one gets to know over time.

Thanks, Tees and Ali/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re K&#8217;s D at #6, Or = gold (yellow) so &#8216;or more&#8217; = yellower.   Ba = soul (from Egypt) and No (or Noh) = drama from Japan.  These are two or three-word things that tend to be used in puzzles that one gets to know over time.</p>
<p>Thanks, Tees and Ali/</p>
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		<title>By: Kathryn's Dad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathryn's Dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2011 17:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you Ali.  

Found this hard but enjoyed it and was pleased to finish it.  I&#039;m still not understanding three things, if someone could oblige: how do we get the BA in THEBAN?  How does YELLOWER work? (I see it&#039;s YELL + OWER).  And where does the NO in NO QUARTER come from?

And I know I&#039;ve chuntered on about this before, but I continue to think that referencing other setters (ENDOMORPH) is unfair for the average solver who probably doesn&#039;t even look, or care, who the setter is before attempting the puzzle.  But a small niggle in what was a well-constructed crossword, thank you also to Tees.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Ali.  </p>
<p>Found this hard but enjoyed it and was pleased to finish it.  I&#8217;m still not understanding three things, if someone could oblige: how do we get the BA in THEBAN?  How does YELLOWER work? (I see it&#8217;s YELL + OWER).  And where does the NO in NO QUARTER come from?</p>
<p>And I know I&#8217;ve chuntered on about this before, but I continue to think that referencing other setters (ENDOMORPH) is unfair for the average solver who probably doesn&#8217;t even look, or care, who the setter is before attempting the puzzle.  But a small niggle in what was a well-constructed crossword, thank you also to Tees.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeC</title>
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		<dc:creator>MikeC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2011 17:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks everyone. Quite a tough one! I was pleased to have a solution but the details of several escaped me until now. Now that I&#039;ve seen Ali&#039;s explanation, I think my COD is probably 23 - must be one of the best disguised definitions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks everyone. Quite a tough one! I was pleased to have a solution but the details of several escaped me until now. Now that I&#8217;ve seen Ali&#8217;s explanation, I think my COD is probably 23 &#8211; must be one of the best disguised definitions.</p>
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		<title>By: Pelham Barton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pelham Barton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2011 16:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Eileen @2 re 8dn: Yes that works for me without requiring any words in the clue to do double duty. Thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eileen @2 re 8dn: Yes that works for me without requiring any words in the clue to do double duty. Thanks.</p>
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