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	<title>Comments on: Guardian Genius No. 102 / Qaos</title>
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		<title>By: Thomas99</title>
		<link>http://www.fifteensquared.net/2012/01/01/guardian-genius-no-102-qaos/#comment-179596</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2012 11:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There seemed to be quite a lot of unhappiness from a few people about the multiple possibilities for some of the solutions. I didn&#039;t really care; I just followed the instructions - which of course didn&#039;t promise unique answers - and filled in all the answers I could, although I did actually change Ferrier (thinking of Kathleen, a perfectly sound answer in a normal Cryptic, I&#039;d say), to Terrier, just because I preferred it and it&#039;s such a classic crossword word. I do think proper nouns should be accepted - how could anyone have known they wouldn&#039;t be? But over all I thought it was a very good puzzle, and just about right for the Genius slot.

It is worth pointing out that we had exactly the same problem with Azed&#039;s Printer&#039;s Devilry (he decided to accept alternatives for at least 2 clues) a month or two ago and it didn&#039;t seem to provoke so much indignation then. The root cause, or part of it, is I suppose the same - that both kinds of puzzle sever the connection between the definition (in the PD case there isn&#039;t one) and the solution, so you lose one of the limiting factors.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There seemed to be quite a lot of unhappiness from a few people about the multiple possibilities for some of the solutions. I didn&#8217;t really care; I just followed the instructions &#8211; which of course didn&#8217;t promise unique answers &#8211; and filled in all the answers I could, although I did actually change Ferrier (thinking of Kathleen, a perfectly sound answer in a normal Cryptic, I&#8217;d say), to Terrier, just because I preferred it and it&#8217;s such a classic crossword word. I do think proper nouns should be accepted &#8211; how could anyone have known they wouldn&#8217;t be? But over all I thought it was a very good puzzle, and just about right for the Genius slot.</p>
<p>It is worth pointing out that we had exactly the same problem with Azed&#8217;s Printer&#8217;s Devilry (he decided to accept alternatives for at least 2 clues) a month or two ago and it didn&#8217;t seem to provoke so much indignation then. The root cause, or part of it, is I suppose the same &#8211; that both kinds of puzzle sever the connection between the definition (in the PD case there isn&#8217;t one) and the solution, so you lose one of the limiting factors.</p>
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		<title>By: fearsome</title>
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		<dc:creator>fearsome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2012 15:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a chemist I should and really did enjoy this puzzle. I was driven mad by 3d (Hebetate) which took me days to solve. Looking forward to more interesting puzzles from Qaos.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a chemist I should and really did enjoy this puzzle. I was driven mad by 3d (Hebetate) which took me days to solve. Looking forward to more interesting puzzles from Qaos.</p>
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		<title>By: Tramp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tramp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2012 16:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I really liked this. That grid must have taken some filling!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really liked this. That grid must have taken some filling!</p>
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		<title>By: Helveticus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helveticus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2012 18:04:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Qaos,
Genius 102 was a nice puzzle, but I have a couple of small reservations. I don&#039;t think 14a was entirely fair, since &quot;starts to rebuke&quot; must surely mean more than just the first letter (this would be &quot;start to rebuke&quot;); &quot;initially rebuking&quot; would have been been fair and would have given an acceptable surface reading. On 17d I think that the word &quot;more&quot; in the clue is superfluous/erroneous, since &quot;becoming&quot; means both &quot;growing&quot; and &quot;beautiful&quot;, but neither &quot;becoming more&quot; nor &quot;more beautiful&quot;. I hope you become a regular setter and look forward to your next puzzle. 

Best wishes for 2012,
Helveticus]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Qaos,<br />
Genius 102 was a nice puzzle, but I have a couple of small reservations. I don&#8217;t think 14a was entirely fair, since &#8220;starts to rebuke&#8221; must surely mean more than just the first letter (this would be &#8220;start to rebuke&#8221;); &#8220;initially rebuking&#8221; would have been been fair and would have given an acceptable surface reading. On 17d I think that the word &#8220;more&#8221; in the clue is superfluous/erroneous, since &#8220;becoming&#8221; means both &#8220;growing&#8221; and &#8220;beautiful&#8221;, but neither &#8220;becoming more&#8221; nor &#8220;more beautiful&#8221;. I hope you become a regular setter and look forward to your next puzzle. </p>
<p>Best wishes for 2012,<br />
Helveticus</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2012 14:22:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Qaos
I hope that you get to read this.
Thanks for responding to one of the points that I had made, and not being upset at some of my criticism.  I could not hope to do as good a job of compiling as you or other Guardian setters do.
I did enjoy the crossword, despite my frustrations, and look forward to trying your next puzzle.
Best wishes for 2012
Gordon]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Qaos<br />
I hope that you get to read this.<br />
Thanks for responding to one of the points that I had made, and not being upset at some of my criticism.  I could not hope to do as good a job of compiling as you or other Guardian setters do.<br />
I did enjoy the crossword, despite my frustrations, and look forward to trying your next puzzle.<br />
Best wishes for 2012<br />
Gordon</p>
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		<title>By: Qaos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Qaos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2012 12:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Gaufrid, many thanks for the post and to everyone else for their comments. Constructive criticism is always appreciated.

First of all, I have to apologise for the puzzle not being completely sound, in that a couple of alternative solutions were discovered. I made a late change to 6dn and unfortunately missed that I&#039;d introduced another element (IR) that could be transmuted. For 7dn, SCRINE was missing from my generated word list, perhaps because it&#039;s an obsolete word.

For the other suggested alternatives, I took that view that keeping to the main Chambers dictionary was fair. So FERRIER, BASSIA, etc could be safely excluded. Perhaps adding some extra clarification to the preamble would have helped.

In hindsight, not having either the word play or definition part of the clue pointing to the transmuted word left a bit too much ambiguity for most people. I thought it would make for more of a challenge and would stop someone from solving the whole puzzle &quot;cold&quot;, e.g. from using the definitions only.

Gordon:

In a first version of the puzzle, I tried to use each element just once, but this proved to be too much of a restriction. Also, as the puzzle was produced several months before, I breathed a sigh of relief when I saw the newly named elements in Nov/Dec didn&#039;t ruin things!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Gaufrid, many thanks for the post and to everyone else for their comments. Constructive criticism is always appreciated.</p>
<p>First of all, I have to apologise for the puzzle not being completely sound, in that a couple of alternative solutions were discovered. I made a late change to 6dn and unfortunately missed that I&#8217;d introduced another element (IR) that could be transmuted. For 7dn, SCRINE was missing from my generated word list, perhaps because it&#8217;s an obsolete word.</p>
<p>For the other suggested alternatives, I took that view that keeping to the main Chambers dictionary was fair. So FERRIER, BASSIA, etc could be safely excluded. Perhaps adding some extra clarification to the preamble would have helped.</p>
<p>In hindsight, not having either the word play or definition part of the clue pointing to the transmuted word left a bit too much ambiguity for most people. I thought it would make for more of a challenge and would stop someone from solving the whole puzzle &#8220;cold&#8221;, e.g. from using the definitions only.</p>
<p>Gordon:</p>
<p>In a first version of the puzzle, I tried to use each element just once, but this proved to be too much of a restriction. Also, as the puzzle was produced several months before, I breathed a sigh of relief when I saw the newly named elements in Nov/Dec didn&#8217;t ruin things!</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jan 2012 17:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I see only Batching and Scrine were considered as duplicates.

Not sure I agree with that.  Ferrier seems perfectly OK to me, although some may argue that Nother is now simply an Americanism, meaning &#039;different other&#039;, as in &quot;That is a whole nother argument&quot;.

Perhaps I&#039;ve lived in this grammatically challenged place for too long!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see only Batching and Scrine were considered as duplicates.</p>
<p>Not sure I agree with that.  Ferrier seems perfectly OK to me, although some may argue that Nother is now simply an Americanism, meaning &#8216;different other&#8217;, as in &#8220;That is a whole nother argument&#8221;.</p>
<p>Perhaps I&#8217;ve lived in this grammatically challenged place for too long!</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Beaver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr Beaver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jan 2012 09:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gordon
The online list of chemical elements I used still had &#039;Uux&#039; names for the more recent additions (&#039;Ununbium&#039; etc) - as these were 3 letters rather than 2, I ignored them - but I had a vague thought that they might have been given proper names since!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gordon<br />
The online list of chemical elements I used still had &#8216;Uux&#8217; names for the more recent additions (&#8216;Ununbium&#8217; etc) &#8211; as these were 3 letters rather than 2, I ignored them &#8211; but I had a vague thought that they might have been given proper names since!</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jan 2012 20:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Gaufrid

I forgot to add that I was concerned that there may also be duplication caused by QAOS being unaware of the latest additions to the Periodic Table; or maybe even that some of these new elements were named after the crossword had been agreed for publication.
Unlike you, I did not do &#039;A Level&#039; Chemistry, but I did study Nuclear Physics at Liverpool University, where they had a co-operative venture with CERN.  I was, and still am, well aware of the bizarre development of ever-more fleeting traces of &#039;new&#039; elements, so was cautious of whether these might be in or not.
Anyhow,the threee in November added were Darmstadtium, Roentgenium and Copernicium [Ds, Rg and Cn].
In December we also had Flerovium and Livermorium [Fl and Lv] added.
I have to say the only one that I thought might cause a problem was Flevorium with the Fl, but I suppose as it was not named until after the crossword was issued it would not be accepted?  Interesting point.
Sorry to go on, but I&#039;m sat here bored as it is late afternoon here in the USA with absolutely nothing happening!
Best wishes

Gordon]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Gaufrid</p>
<p>I forgot to add that I was concerned that there may also be duplication caused by QAOS being unaware of the latest additions to the Periodic Table; or maybe even that some of these new elements were named after the crossword had been agreed for publication.<br />
Unlike you, I did not do &#8216;A Level&#8217; Chemistry, but I did study Nuclear Physics at Liverpool University, where they had a co-operative venture with CERN.  I was, and still am, well aware of the bizarre development of ever-more fleeting traces of &#8216;new&#8217; elements, so was cautious of whether these might be in or not.<br />
Anyhow,the threee in November added were Darmstadtium, Roentgenium and Copernicium [Ds, Rg and Cn].<br />
In December we also had Flerovium and Livermorium [Fl and Lv] added.<br />
I have to say the only one that I thought might cause a problem was Flevorium with the Fl, but I suppose as it was not named until after the crossword was issued it would not be accepted?  Interesting point.<br />
Sorry to go on, but I&#8217;m sat here bored as it is late afternoon here in the USA with absolutely nothing happening!<br />
Best wishes</p>
<p>Gordon</p>
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		<title>By: Gaufrid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gaufrid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jan 2012 16:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Jan
Thanks for the info. I haven&#039;t been back to the on-line puzzle since the morning it first appeared.

Hi bridgesong
Thanks, typo corrected.

Hi Gordon
It will indeed be interesting to see, when the solution is published, how many alternatives were acceptable. Having found 7dn I had intended to revisit the remaining clues to see if the same applied elsewhere but somehow by the time I had finished my blog I forgot.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jan<br />
Thanks for the info. I haven&#8217;t been back to the on-line puzzle since the morning it first appeared.</p>
<p>Hi bridgesong<br />
Thanks, typo corrected.</p>
<p>Hi Gordon<br />
It will indeed be interesting to see, when the solution is published, how many alternatives were acceptable. Having found 7dn I had intended to revisit the remaining clues to see if the same applied elsewhere but somehow by the time I had finished my blog I forgot.</p>
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